I orinally posted this back in November 2005.
Judit Polgar’s take on the cheating allegation. She is definitely not one who supported Topalov in Elista.
Below is the opinion of my sister Judit about the cheating allegation against the new FIDE King of Chess:
SP: Have you heard about the cheating accusation from one or two of the participants at the San Luis World Championship about Topalov using outside help to win the title?
JP: Yes, I heard and I was shocked when I heard about it. It is unfortunate that such an accusation was brought up. I think that this event was a great joy for the public and it was very interesting. Looking at Topalov’s games, I personally don’t believe at all that he used any outside (or computer) help. However, I do believe that he fought extremely well and he was very well prepared mentally, psychically and in his chess preparation. Last but not least, he was ready to fight and of course for such a result, one needs luck too . He deserved to win at San Luis to become the new World Champion.
SP: Once Topalov said in an interview that the presence of his coach / manager Silvio Danailov helps him calm down during games. Do you see anything suspicious about this comment?
JP: Absolutely not! I remember as a teenage girl when my mother used to travel with me to tournaments. She always sat in the audience. While she is certainly not much more than a beginner chess player, her presence alone gave me support and strength. This is normal and there is nothing wrong with this.
https://chessdailynews.com/judit-polgars-take-on-the-cheating-allegation/
The above were the quotes from my sister Judit. This is my opinion:
For the record, I DO NOT believe that either Kramnik or Topalov cheated. I believe that both are fantastic chess players.
My take on Kramnik: Chess looks so easy when Kramnik plays. I personally learn so much from his game and I like his style. He has an incredible knowledge and feel for the game. He is in chess as to Federer in tennis (making things look so easy). His weakness is his lack of fighting spirit from time to time. He only fights when he has to. That is why he is better in match format.
My take on Topalov: He has the heart of a lion. The man never backs down from any battle. What he lacks in some areas are made up by his incredible fighting spirit. He is in chess as to Mike Tyson (in earlier days) in the boxing ring. His weakness is the ability to maintain consistency and that can be exploited in match format. That is why he is more suitable for tournament format.
It’s interesting. I don’t think Topalov cheated at San Luis either. But what I think or you think shouldn’t matter. The public should be able to have confidence that nobody could have cheated even if they wanted to. At San Luis, Danailov was allowed to it with an open laptop in view of Topalov, which made him perfectly capable of communicating moves, or at the least attitudes. If your manager, with access to Fritz, is smiling, that means the computer likes your game.
That doesn’t mean that either Danailov or Topalov did anything wrong at San Luis. It means that the tournament was very loosely run, and had inadequate security precautions. When a tournament is badly run in that way, whoever did the best is going to be the subject of gossip just like this. Tournaments need to be run with MUCH tighter security, if not to prevent actual cheating, then to protect the players from these kinds of allegations.
First, i wanna say that im Bulgarian.
Secound, i`m disgusted of this mess.
Vesko is our national hero. In interview which was broadcasted on our television his only comentary was: “i was filling distracted of Kramnik`s absence all the time”.
I`ve never heard him say things like: “He was cheating” or “His moves are identical to Fritz” etc.
I`m sure that Danailov created this “toilet scandal” and Vesko takes all the “benefits” of Danailov`s actions.
It`s obvious that`s realy hard to search the fault in you, but it`s much easier to point at the opponent and say: “it is your fault”.
I realy hope that this matter will fade out in time and Vesko will proove with his actions on the chess table that he is N1. For now Kramnik is the hero and the undisputed world champion.
I read lots of mindless childish posts in this blog – only few people try to be unprejudiced.
And last thing – chess is made by humans and they will always use durty trics against eachother.
PS. Sorry for the bad english.
абе българче неграмотно, ти виждал ли си някой някога да признава вина, бе! Руснаците ли го правят или германците. Какви ги дрънкаш..само си за резил на българите!
Hi susan,
I really enjoyed reading your assesment of Kramnik and Topalov as I think they are the best ever I ever read about them.
They are indeed so different but both of them are great at the game.
“My take on Topalov: He has the heart of a lion. The man never backs down from any battle.”
I think he seriously damaged his reputation as a fighter at Elista. There were fans of his who were confidently predicting that a great fighter like Topalov would never accept a free point. When he refused to continue without it, he shocked and disappointed a lot of people, and made it look like the whole protest was about his score in the match.
“I think he seriously damaged his reputation as a fighter at Elista. There were fans of his who were confidently predicting that a great fighter like Topalov would never accept a free point. When he refused to continue without it, he shocked and disappointed a lot of people, and made it look like the whole protest was about his score in the match.”
You are talking about free point? So if don`t go to work i should get paid? This has nothing to do with his fighting spirit!
>>You are talking about free point? So if don`t go to work i should get paid? This has nothing to do with his fighting spirit! >>
You can defend it all you want. I’m just saying that people who liked Topalov but weren’t uncritically devoted to him, were disappointed by his actions. The point of the match is to see who the better player was. By insisting on keeping a free point (obtained as the result of an illegal protest), Topalov showed that he didn’t care about proving he was the best, he just wanted to be named the winner any way possible (which is also what you want). Sorry, but that was a disappointment. We had a much higher opinion of him before the match.
“By insisting on keeping a free point (obtained as the result of an illegal protest), Topalov showed that he didn’t care about proving he was the best, he just wanted to be named the winner any way possible “
Yeah, and not only that, good old Danailov helped to bury Topalov even further after the match. Remember, less than a week after the match, he announced he wanted a rematch, and, before Kramnik had replied in any way, started talking about if Kramnik wouldn’t play another match, that FIDE would be “forced” to give the title to Topalov without play. This reinforced the impression that the Topalov camp wasn’t about fighting or earning, it was about having things handed to them for free.
Having a title handed to you makes you look bad. Just ask Karpov.
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You can defend it all you want. I’m just saying that people who liked Topalov but weren’t uncritically devoted to him, were disappointed by his actions. The point of the match is to see who the better player was. By insisting on keeping a free point (obtained as the result of an illegal protest), Topalov showed that he didn’t care about proving he was the best, he just wanted to be named the winner any way possible (which is also what you want). Sorry, but that was a disappointment. We had a much higher opinion of him before the match.>>
Topalov would have agreed to replay that game if there were only one neutral restroom and toilet.
gues who wil not play in Morelia Linnares ?
>>gues who wil not play in Morelia Linnares ?>>
Unlike some people, he’s got a championship tournament to prepare for.
“Unlike some people, he’s got a championship tournament to prepare for.”
Yeah. He got married 🙂
Have them play in their boxers or briefs with a on stage toilet that they can draw a curtain around. That will settle it.
To all chess fans: Both Kramnik and Topalov did not cheat. Get over it!
If you want to argue who is being the poorest sportsman (i.e. the biggest baby), be my guest!
>>To all chess fans: Both Kramnik and Topalov did not cheat. Get over it!>>
Topalov didn’t cheat, but he is guilty of repeated violations of the ethics rules forbidding public accusations against players and sponsors.
And whether Topalov is guilty or innocent doesn’t matter. The fact is that tournament security DOES need to be beefed up heavily, if only to protect the players from these kinds of rumors.
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Have them play in their boxers or briefs with a on stage toilet…
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Now you would punish the spectators!?
wolverine,
Topalov was checked with a metal detector before every match in Elista. That was alongside all sorts of other methods the Russians used there to put him under psychological pressure. Kramnik’s alleged cheating may well have been one of those well-calculated methods too.
Right now if there is any suspicion of cheating or trickery – it applies to them both, until (if ever) some proofs are shown to the public.
I find it hard to comprehend that there are people in the right state of mind, who still question Topalov’s right to appeal in those circumstances. I don’t believe anyone in his place would have continued to play without taking some action, and he was absolutely in his right to do it. The actual way it was done and followed by Danailov is another story. I just hope that Topalov realises soon enough what damage this man does to him.
In any case looking at the whole situation only in black and white and putting all the blame (and all sorts of blames) only on Topalov (or the other way round for that matter) until the real facts come onto the surface is a pure narrow-minded partisanship.
If Topalov and Danailov are cheating together then there is no way that Topalov can fire Danailov.
That is why Topalov has not fired him and never will at least up to the time of getting caught with the evidence.
>>Karpov was never a champion. He stole it from Fischer.>>
You shouldn’t just make up stories and state them as fact. That’s dishonest. The fact is Fischer resigned the title 5 months before Karpov even became the challenger. Most GM’s agreed that Fischer’s conditions were unfair. You should read up on it before looking sillier.
“…By insisting on keeping a free point (obtained as the result of an illegal protest)…”
It makes me sad to see people who have read something they like and then repeat it to infinity whithout EVER thinking about it at all.
1) Show me at least one example in sports history, where one team or competitor intetnionally and purposly did not appear for a scheduled event, while his opponent and the fans were there, waiting for him and that did not result in him forfeiting the game.
2) Show me at least one example in sports history, where some team or competititor intetnionally and purposly forfeited a game, their opponent protested and the result was changed! Can’t you see the absolute nonsense that this idea is?
3) If Kramnik decides to give away a free point, who in his right mind would reject that present? Especially having in mind the result in the match, the animosity between the two and the fact that the world title was on the line? (Clue : noone)
4) The term “illegal protest” is very close to absurd. Especially having in mind that it was not sanctioned in any way.
5) Do you honestly expect that anyone would make a protest he himself conciders illegal, and when this protest is judged to be viable by the appropriate organs and measusers are taken according to it, the protesting party would protest against those measures? This is even more absurd than the reidculous sentence I just composed:)
The whole concept about “Topalov not accepting the free/stolen point” is nothing more than sheer absurd. It can happen in fairy tales/Holywood movies. Never in the real world and to real people
Anonyme: “Topalov is no sportsman like Spassky”
I can’t let someone saying such a stupid thing!
Boris Spassky is a gentleman! One man well-manered, always polite,smiling, and a great chess lover, and always nice with fans to have a tak with them, an autograph and so and so!
I ‘ve had the chance to saw him playing in france. He is a person very kind and nice with everybody, and all the chess lover !
What kind of person would not have stay in reykjavik after such a bad start and kiddy trics made by Fischer? Every one but Spassky!
Spassky have had a great number of reason to leave and to go back home with his title in hands with no one on earth to argue about such a decision:
Fischer arrived one week late, changed all the rules he had accepted before the match,etc…
There is only one World Champion on Earth to grant his opponent all his wishes to give all the chesslovers in the world one thing: One of the best World Chess Championship of all the time!
Don’t put This GREAT MAN AND WORLD CHAMPION Spassky to such a low and bad behaviour like Topa-danailov!
Spassky deserve more respect to continue to play under such a way!
He lose with grace and dignity! Like the Champion he still is!
“If Topalov and Danailov are cheating together then there is no way that Topalov can fire Danailov.
That is why Topalov has not fired him and never will at least up to the time of getting caught with the evidence.”
There’s a completely different reason other than cheating why Topalov can’t fire Danailov. Read this:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=12295&kpage=823
Go down to the entry dated 10-06-06:
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“But when he was about 12 years old Danailov, his actual trainer and companion, spoke to Topalov’s family and got permission to personally train him.
Danailov took Topalov to his apartment and told him ‘From now on, you live here and this will become your new home. I am not just your trainer, but I am also your mother and your father. I am your cook. I am the one who will wash your clothes. I am the one who will pay your bills and expenses to tournaments. All I want from you is to think only about chess!’’
Topalov developed very quickly under Danailov’s guideance [sic]. He became a super star in the chessworld by the time he was 19. This relationship has remained just as strong until today. Topalov does not have a girlfriend or any real friends in the classical meaning of it. He has only his chess, but he would not change his universe for any other.
And he has Danailov. Danailov is paid, I am told, 50 percent of everything that Topalov wins, and while many might think that is excessive, the Topalov-Danailov relationship is very unique. And mutually beneficial.
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Topalov can’t fire Danailov because Danailov has been his mother since he was 12. He has no ability to get along in the outside world without Danailov. He grew up too sheltered. He has no friends and no life outside Danailov. He’d be lost on his own. Danailov saw to it that he was brought up that way.
I agree that the Russians stole the title from Fischer.
Fischer got screwed by the chess politicians.
again? people says that is not a good thing danaillov smiling? well, also stay in a bath for the great part of a match is not a good thing.
and overall is a bad thing that topalov cant play in next championship.
and it is a bad thing that Kramnik never won a tourney for candidates…just a kasparov gift….kramnik is able to win a tourney for candidates?
and it is a bad thing that Kramnik never won a tourney for candidates…just a kasparov gift….kramnik is able to win a tourney for candidates?
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Yeah, he’s no more worthy than… Alekhine… Okay, bad example, bad example. Lasker? Okay, another bad example. Uh… Capablanca?
The actual fact is that the Russian politicians who controlled chess pushed Fischer out of the 1975 title defense. The Russians knew that Fischer would defeat Karpov. The Russians were afraid to face Fischer and lose again.
These are facts. Cold hard facts.
Now the Russians did everything they could to justify their actions and to cover up their intentions. They did everything they could to make it look like it was Fischer’s fault. But Fischer was such a simple person that they knew Fischer would not agree to the terms and conditions that they tried to force upon Fischer. They forced Fischer to abandon the title.
Karpov got it by unhanded political means. Karpov did not win it over the board.
Karpov is nothing. He is definitely not and never was a legitimate champion. Sorry if it hurts your Russian ego.
I just found this on the internet.
http://www.chessninja.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001448
posted January 29, 2007 07:29 PM
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According to Yuriy Vasiliev of chesspro.ru, Kramnik will play in Mexico. Vasiliev has taken some interviews for Sport-Express daily and summarized them for ChessPro.ru:
quote:
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Kramnik told me he will definitely play in Mexico and is planning to win that tournament. He will prepare in the summer and before that he will play a rapid match against Leko in Monaco. After that he will play in Dortmund and prepare for Mexico 2007.
Vladimir told me he knows nothing about being guaranteed a rematch in case of his failure in Mexico. In any case, his manager, who is now in Antalia, did not tell him anything about it. But the world champion stressed that regardless of what the rules will be, he plans to play and win the tournament in Mexico.
Topalov said that “the Russians privatized the title” and that from now on, all most important tournaments and matches will apparently be held in Russia. FIDE has done everything so that Kasparov would quit chess and now they are trying to do the same to him.
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Ex-world champion’s manager Sylvio Danailov said that they will sue FIDE for at least 5 million dollars. He said that in no other sport there can be a situation where the number 1 rated player is not allowed to participate in the world championship. He concluded by saying that they regret supporting Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in the elections in Turin.
I wonder if Topalov had won if they would have sued to have Kramnik play.
im not accusing topalov of cheating at all. in fact i think hes not cheating. i just think he needs to undergo more thorough testing for possible cheating to make people basically shut up about it and give him the praise he deserves as a player. right now i think hes not considered as one of the all time greats because this cheating is weighing over his head. my point also is that with technology so advanced that there are devices at the molecular level that can be inserted into a persons head and given compter signals from a chess engine. this is just the reality we are living in. cheating using engines like steroids is something that is now very hard to detect even with the best equipment. the longer this cheating hangs over topalovs head the harder it is going to be to clear his name. thats all im saying. im not partial to topalov or kramnik. im taking a non partial view of this. i think topalov was in the right to question kramniks excessive use of the bathroom which would be distracting to anybody but wrong in accusing him of cheating. i also think topalov should have had the kramnik game forfeited until the mess got sorted out instead of having kramnik lose a game with white. its really a no win situation for both kramnik and topalov. theyre both great players and are caught in a mess that doesnt seem like its going away anytime soon. for the sake of chess im hoping everything gets cleared up so that players dont start stepping out of tournaments because topalov is playing. this is what i think happened at this corus tournament because it was strange how many top players wernt at this tournament.
wolverine
Byclops, hi.
Just to mention that in a soccer match qualifying for World Cup, Estonia failed to turn up for their HOME match against Scotland (after the timing had been changed for TV or something?). The Scottish players kicked off and then “celebrated” having been awarded the points.
Later UEFA changed the decision and made Scotland play the game.
I think they drew…..
Banjanx
PS I may have mentioned this before here…but please don’t think it was a big thing…
Accusations about Susan Polgar not liking Kramnik are baseless,stupid and without foundations.
Polgar is Jew like Kramnik.
Jews always tend to support Jews.
But here, there is an obvious injustice.
Susan is simply telling her heart out that Topalov is innocent.
Her belief is more valuable than anything else.
Kramnik make things look so easy?
When he wins maybe. But most of the time his play looks like a hard work.
And yeah, Kram+Topa
Polgar is Jew like Kramnik.
Jews always tend to support Jews.
I am a Jew too, and my jewness makes zero difference, as for which chess player I like, or who I like in general.
Gabor
Kramnik’s nationality is for him to say. I do not believe that Kramnik has come out publicly and said he is Jewish. I am not sure but maybe he has some Jewish heritage and maybe some that is not Jewish. Which is probably similar to many people. However, Kramnik might also have 0% jewishness. We just do not know. And it is none of our business. And makes no difference.
I hope we can let go of nationalistic and religious labels. Each person is a brother. We are all brothers and sisters. We are all members of this big earth. Let us all love each other and work together to preserve the environment and the world for a very long time.
Labels represent words of prejudice and judgement. Let us not judge each other so that we do not judge ourself. Let us love each other so that we may love ourself.
If suddenly tomorrow the words of religion and nationality were to disappear from the minds of all people then the word prejudice would also have disappeared and this world would be a much better place to live for everyone.
I think it is fine and wonderful to have a nationality and to be proud of it. But that is for the person him or her self to do. We must not talk about someone else’s nationality and religion. It is really none of our business. The idea of someone else’s nationality or religion will only be used by the mind for prejudice. So let us control the thoughts in our mind and exclude the thoughts that imply we are judging others.
Jesus said do not judge least you be judged.
from wikipidia on vladimir kramnik
Vladimir Kramnik was born in the town of Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea. It is occasionally asserted that his real name was Sokolov but this is not the case (though it is a family name). His father’s birth name was Boris Sokolov, but he took his stepfather’s surname when his mother (Vladimir’s grandmother) remarried.
so the name Kramnik comes from a stepfather. Most references to Kramnik possibly being jewish come from the name Kramnik which is not his blood name. I believe Kramnik has made no mention of being Jewish.
“we now have devices that can be inserted into someone that are the size of an atom that funtion on the molecular level. these devcies could easily transmit moves to other players. this isnt paronoia its fact.”
Wolverine,
You should either give us a reference to such a device which is of atomic sizes or stop bullshitting around.
Hmm, takes more than an atom to function like a complex molecule.
“Kramnik – He is in chess as to Federer in tennis”
Hmm?! But Federer wins every single tournament, I can’t remember when was last Kramnik tournament win??
Karpov was not a real champion???
I am not Russian therefore I have no Russian Ego but above statement was really funny. Karpov is the one of the strongest players of chess history I believe if he had chance as todays “kids” have to improve their chess with computers he would be definetely number one! Karpov was a uniqe talent, please you guy don’t speak like ignorants!
I wonder if the lunatic who thinks Russian politicians (a curious description of Max Euwe, the then president of FIDE) stole the title in 1975 could name a single one of the conditions Fischer sought to impose before he would defend the title. I read The Crucible the other day: it’s good to see the spirit of the laughable Senator Joe McCarthy lives on in some of the more inbred parts of the US.
As for the other lunatic who thinks Polgar couldn’t be nasty about Kramnik because they’re both Jews, leaving aside the factual issues and the fact that the poster is clearly a racist idiot, I wonder if he has considered the well-known lovefest between Hungarians and Russians. Keywords: 1956; Budapest; tanks. I wonder if Susan’s father and mother were on the barricades?
Susan is obviously biased towards Topalov, which is fine: it’s her blog; she can do what she likes. It would be better if she wasn’t in denial about it, but it’s not that important.
More seriously, this blog is an embarrassment to chess. I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again; Susan, it’s high time you introduced moderation and registration. If I was a parent considering letting my child get into chess, and I read some of this stuff, I’d conclude it wasn’t a good world to be in.
Percy
Oh, and to the anonymous Bulgarian posting high up the thread, can I suggest that you read the interview with Topalov (not Danailov) in the latest New in Chess magazine? He accuses Kramnik of cheating both before and after the protest, and in the most explicit terms. And on no evidence whatsoever, needless to say.
Having said that, it was still refreshing to see a Bulgarian posting some kind of sense on this subject; a rare thing.
Percy
It never ceases to amaze me how much bulls^&* people type when they go on the internet. It’s as if people leave their brains behind and assume they are experts without doing even the slightest piece or research on a subject.
No one (other than Kramnik and Topalov) know if Kramnik or Topalov were cheating or not. In all probability neither of them were. But people continue to make ridiculous, unsubstantiated allegations. Cables were found in the toilet Kramnik used at Elista! So What! A few days ago there were new offices being put into the building I work in – there were cables everywhere, in the ceiling under the floor – everywhere.
Until concrete evidence can be produced of cheating then these journalists should just shut up about it.
A couple of posts above also display an an enormous amount of ignorance and bias.
Karpov was a great world champion and certainly I believe he would have been the strongest player Fischer had ever faced (in a match). Perhaps not as good as Kasparov, but very close (i.e. over their 5 matches he lost by a few games only and scored some fantastic victories). I dont think Karpov would have won in 1975 but maybe in 1978 (hard to tell). But to suggest that Karpov stole the title from Fischer is just pure ignorance.
As far as I can remember (I will need to check the literature when I get home) all of Fischer’s “unusual” demands were met except for one. The challenger refused to accept the condition that he had to win by 2 clear points i.e. in the proposed match of first to win 10 games (this match could have gone on for 10 years!) Fischer would retain his title if the score reached 9-9. This did not seem fair to the challenger (& it wasn’t fair!) and so the match collapsed and Fischer refused to defend his title.
Perhaps the person above who says that the title was stolen from Fischer by the Russians/politicians could give us a few examples of exactly why he thinks this.
What did the Russians/Politicians demand that was unreasonable or what did Fischer reasonably demand that was not given to him?
I’m not trying to say that I am always right on any particular subject but at least I try to back up comments with some facts.
>>However, Kramnik might also have 0% jewishness. We just do not know. >>
For whatever it’s worth, he’s not listed on the list of Jewish chessplayers at jinfo.org. Maybe that’ll help the bigots to like him a little better.
http://www.jinfo.org/Chess.html
>>”Kramnik – He is in chess as to Federer in tennis”
Hmm?! But Federer wins every single tournament, I can’t remember when was last Kramnik tournament win?? >>
Um, that would be the last tournament he played in before Wijk: Dortmund.
I’ve heard of short memories, but this is ridiculous.
>>The actual fact is that the Russian politicians who controlled chess pushed Fischer out of the 1975 title defense. The Russians knew that Fischer would defeat Karpov. The Russians were afraid to face Fischer and lose again.
These are facts. Cold hard facts.>>
They are facts, albeit false facts.
The true fact is that Fischer resigned the world title in June 1974, 5 months before his challenger was even selected. That’s why you can’t tell us what they did.
>>I wonder if the lunatic who thinks Russian politicians (a curious description of Max Euwe, the then president of FIDE) stole the title in 1975 could name a single one of the conditions Fischer sought to impose before he would defend the title.>>
Nah. Fischer is a religion to some people. They don’t really know much about him.
In actual fact, Fischer gave up the world title over the 9-9 tie clause, that would have required Karpov to win by at least 2 points (10-8 or better). He had a list of 140 or so demands, got every one of them except this one, and still refused to play. He retired in 1972, he just didn’t bother to tell anyone until 1996.
RE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanobots
Unfortunately this piece says quite clearly that:
“nanorobotics refers to the still largely theoretical nanotechnology engineering discipline”
and
“As no artificial non-biological nanorobots have so far been created, they remain a hypothetical concept at this time.”
Hmmm. Not exactly conclusive is it?
they’ve built nanobots. look at where it says that a university built a car made up of one molecule. they’ve been built there just not selling them.they havnt mass produced them yet. if they can build a car then they can build a device that can transmit chess engine moves. the nano technology isnt fully developed but its been around for years because i studied it in computer engineering a long time ago. its just a matter of time before they full develop it. as far as im concerned its probaly developed enough for someone to have a device specifically made to transmit moves if they paid the right amount of money to a research team.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanobots
wolverine
As a physicist I can say that the idea of building a car out of one molecule is ridiculous. In classical terms one might as well suggest building a house out of only one brick. Probably it is possible to arrange atoms into the shape of a car, such things can be done, but they are not machines, they are fancily shaped clumps of atoms. I suggest you read an introduction to modern physics and then a little quantum mechanics, that will give a better picture of what can be done.
this has nothing to do with quantum physics you imbicile. this is nano technology. i use that as an example of how small these things are. of course a nanobot that can do computations isnt as simplistic as a car. i have taken many courses in physics and undertstand modern physics and quantum mechanics. your a typical theorotical nutcase that knows nothing about engineering applications. you see it from a completly theoretical perspective and engineers know that physicists are nothing but lunatics that dont live in the real world. look at this where it describes on board computational computers at the nano scale.
http://www.nanomedicine.com/NMI/10.2.htm
also if you know anything about nanotechnology its usually a group of nanobots that work in conjunction with each other to produce a desired goal. just like a computer has many components to make it work the same applies with nanotechnology. even when adding up many nanobots working in conjuction with each other there total sum is still so small as to not be detected with the usual technology such as metal detectors or scanners.
http://www.nanomedicine.com/NMI/10.2.htm
wolverine
=), that may be true, though I’ve not thought of myself as a nutcase. Refreshingly blunt. Well, I suppose both approaches are needed. Let me just say at this point I am very skeptical, though I trust science will progress.
I suppose on a non-scientific forums such as this, it is allowed to use imprecise language, as exact language might miss the point. The idea of a car at that size, even if it were of a micrometer scale, is quite weird, but I suppose something else is meant with that. Some kind of transportation unit like hemoglobin, but with different qualities and which is artificially made? Quantum mechanics is necessary in making things work, since at the atomic scale classical physics is insufficient. I do appreciate the empirical approach also. Yes, of course a single molecule can be large, arguably any piece of metal can be considered a single molecule, but that is misleading.
Nanotechnology is an interesting field, there’ll be lots of new thing coming from that direction I’m sure. What you suggest is a very complicated issue, however. You propose these things do something that doesn’t normally occur in the body, yet are not detrimental to health. On the other hand, these things should in a very complicated surrounding, you can forget classical physics in the scale of 1 nanometer, respond to things outside the human body, that is over a distance of over 1 cm away? Perhaps in 50 years we will see something like that, but I expect efficient nuclear fusion first.
That was an interesting article btw, but science has not progressed far enough. Should I say there’s the engineers approach who forgets that these things don’t exist yet. =)
heres an artical wheres it not 50 years down the road but there making these things right now.
http://www.sciencefriday.com/kids/sfkc20021101-1.html
these small computer chips are definatly close to being a reality if not already a reality. you would notice that this article is five years ago so im sure they’ve advanced upon this. as well theres another article descibing briefly how a linux operating system can be installed on these things.
http://www.trilug.org/?q=node/30
wolverine
his another article thats shows the progress theyve made.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,11381,1205523,00.html
i might add that a computer wouldnt have to be inserted into a person to transmit computer moves. just some sort of relay device that recieves moves from a computer. this im sure is possible right now at the nano level.
wolverine
Does Danailov still manage Ponomariov?
A couple years ago, my impression of P. was unfavorable. But from his articles in NiC, P. sounds very personable….
Most of you posters should google and read the rules of logic in a debate. Some of the rules are:
1. ad hominem: invalid argument based on someone’s reputation, good or bad.
2. strawman: invalid argument based on substituting the conclusion of another argument for the present argument.
3. analogy: invalid argument, similar to the strawman, based on how one situation is like another.
Stick to facts and construct a valid argument from that. There is no need for anything else.
In the present topic, what are the facts? The Topalov team had presented video evidence of Kramnik going to the washroom at least 25 times (they originally exaggerated 50). They produced pictures of cables from the ceiling. That’s it. Neither of these facts are conclusive, obviously, but they do make the Topalov team’s accusations stronger than mere statements of cheating, and definitely stronger than the pathetic rebuts of, “oh, Kramnik would never cheat. He has a reputation to protect.” We know how valid that is (not – as per rules of logic), given how some famous Olympic athletes with their impeccable reputations were caught cheating.
Still, I must stress the evidence is not conclusive, only merely strengthening the cheating accusation, and leave it at that.
As for Danailov signalling accusation in Corus, the reporter should produce the pictures or video or shut up.
Also, rebuttals also have to follow the rules of logic. This means, respectfully, that Susan Polgar’s opinion that neither cheated does not weaken Topalov team’s accusations because SP’s opinion (and reputation) bears no weight on the evidence. The signatures of all those GMs and IMs who supported Kramnik also bear no weight on the evidence.
Lastly, I find it ironic for someone whose user name is mensa_magician quoting US libel laws as applied to a WC match held in Kalmykia and to two players neither of whom are US citizens, but anyway, FIDE by-laws regarding accusations is good in theory, but useless in practice. Once the accusations fly the world press corps would be all of it. Something like that cannot be kept secret. Had Topalov’s team whispered the accusations to the ear of the arbiter and requested secrecy, do you think it would be kept quiet successfully? Not!
Speaking as a parent of kids 12 & 9, about the calls for moderation/restriction:
The 9-year-old we sit with and supervise on things like this (but she just got “Neopets” boards permission to herself).
The 12-year-old is learning about things like this in history, and has freer reign.
danailov has said anand will meet his fate (ie loose) when he meets topalov. how is danilov so sure?
1>topalov’s overall record against both anand and karmnik is poor.
2> topalov has lost matches both to kramnik and peter leko
clearly topalov is not god.
danailov’s confidence seems to suggest he has special faith in his sign language than topalov’s playing abilities.