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1. …Qh1+
2. Kd2 Bf4+
3. Rf4 Rd8+
4. Kc3 Qd1 advantage for black
How about Qh1+ Kd2 Rd8+ Kc2 Qxd1+
Qh1+ Kd2 Rd8+ Ke3 Qxd1 Re8+ Rxe8 Qxe8+ Kh7
and maybe white gets a repeat
I would want to explore the line pushing the white king out into the open, even if I lacked the ability to see the double attack at d1 that will arise at move 3. However, this line turned out to be a bit more complicated than I anticipated on my first thoughts:
1. …..Qh1
2. Kd2 Rd8
Here, white has four realistic moves- Kc1, Kc2, Ke3, and Kc3. The first two are mates for black, the third one looks to be advantageous for black, and the last is probably a draw as far as I can tell. Taken in order:
3. Kc1 Qd1
4. Kb2 Rd2
5. Kc3 Qc2# Or
3. Kc2 Rc8
4. Kb2
Here, Rc4 is mate after Be5:
4. …..Qd2 and mate on the next move by either Rc1 or Qc2.
On white playing
3. Ke3
Black can get the advantage by playing
3. …..Bf5!
4. Rf4
Here, 4.Kf4 is worse, but irrelevant in light of what I will show on 3.Kc3. Continuing the line above:
4. …..Qd1
And, now, the white king is horribly vulnerable. Black is threatening Qe2#, so white must clear f4. He can do this with a variety of rook moves, but only one of the moves looks like it has any chance of holding:
5. Rf7
Alternatives are worse, in my opinion, but irrelevant like the note on 4.Kf4 above. With Rf7, white not only clears f4 for the king, but sets up his own mate in one threat. Continuing the above line:
5. …..Qd4
Here, I think Qd2 simply interpolates to the following continuation, and I simply can’t make a move like Qe2 work any better than what follows. Continuing:
6. Kf3 Qd3
I have spent about 10 minutes looking at every other possibility for white in this line, and find nothing better than the queen exchange:
7. Qd3 Rd3
8. Kf4 Ra3
I think black should win this, but it really doesn’t matter since white does better at move 3 with Kc3:
3. Kc3!
And, here, black has two relevant moves, both of which should be draws- Qd1, Rc8 and Be5:
3. …..Qd1
4. Re8 Re8
5. Qe8 Kh7
6. Qe4 Kg8 (g6 7.Qe7 with a draw)
7. Qe8 Kh7 with a draw by repetition coming. Or
3. …..Rc8
4. Kb2!
To keep Qd1 from occurring with check. Continuing:
4. …..Qd1 (nothing else now)
5. Re8 as before, setting up the 3-fold repetition draw.
I was unhappy with this outcome, having spent quite a bit of time working it out only find myself in a drawn position. Now, being down an exchange, black can be happy to not lose, but is there something better? Yes, and one should be able to figure it all out from the above lines I gave. I will continue this in my next comment.
In my previous comment, I had shown the following line:
1. …..Qh1
2. Kd2 Rd8
3. Kc3!
And I had shown that white can now draw by preventing black from taking at d1 with check. In one of the sub-variations arising at move 3, namely, when white plays 3.Ke3, I had shown that black could force a rook endgame up two pawns by playing 3.Bf4. Unhappy ending up in a draw, I thought that maybe, just maybe, playing Bf4 earlier, before the white king can even reach c3, might prove more fruitful, and I was right. From the top:
1. …..Qh1
2. Kd2 Bf4!
3. Rf4
Obviously, 3.Kd3 is mate in one, and 3.Re3 will lose to Be3 followed by Qd1. Continuing:
3. …..Rd8
4. Ke3
Here, moves like Kc2 and Kc1 are probably going to be mates like they were in the previous comment, and Kc3 isn’t going to save white this time because white no longer can force the draw by repetition as his rook no longer can check from e8:
4. …..Qd1
5. Rf7
The alternatives are worse, and I will discuss them below. Continuing with the above:
5. …..Qd4 (Qd2 interpolates)
6. Kf3 Qd3
7. Qd3 Rd3
8. Kg4 Ra3 and we have the exact same ending as we saw in the line from 3.Ke3 Bf4 in my previous comment- black is up 2 pawns (I think I put the white king at f4 instead of g4 in the previous comment, but this might be worse if white needs to protect b4 from f4 with the rook).
At move 5, white does worse with moves like 5.Rg4, 5.Rc4, or Rf5:
5. Rg4 Qe1(Qe2 6.Kf4 Rf8/d4 7.Kg3)
The point of this check from e1 is to keep the threat of Qg1 open:
6. Kf3
Or (6.Kf4 Rf8 7.Kg3 Qg1 8.Kh3 Qh1 9.Kg3 Qg2 10.Kh4 Qh2#). Continuing:
6. …..Rf8
7. Rf4 Qd1
8. Kg3 Qg1 wins the queen. Or, at move 8
8. Ke3 Qc1 will win at least a rook, and is probably a forced mate. Or
8. Ke4 Qe2 wins at least a rook.
Back at move 5:
5. Rf5 Qe2
6. Kf4 Qf2 and there is no way white survives this.
Obviously, in my first comment, that should read 3. …..Bf4.
Qh1 begs to be played along with Rd8+ as a follow-up. But White has Re8+ with perpetual check as a strong threat so Black has to be careful.
So:
1. Qh1+ Kd2
2. Bf5+ Rxf5
3. Rd8+ K moves
4. Qxd1
and Black is up two pawns with a strong attack.
Qh1+ followed by Rd8+
1…Qh1+ 2.kD2 Rd8+ 3.K-moves Qxd1, but then White can draw.
1…Qh1+ 2.Kd2 Bf4+ !
I think the repetition can be avoided
…. Qh1+
Kd2 Bf4+!
RxB Rd8+
K any QxR with an active rook and queen and with two pawns more this is probably a win for black
This is a little more difficult than it appears. Clearly the queen followed by the rook check looks obvious and if the white king then moves to c3, then taking the R at d1 with the Q leads to a draw by perpetual check namely:
1. … Qh1+, 2. Kd2 Rd8+ 3.Kc3 Q*d1 leads to 4. Re8+ R*e8 5. Q*e8+ draws.
So the trick is to get the R at e4 off the e file so it cannot check.
Here is the winning line:
1. … Qh1+, 2. Kd2 Bf4+! 3.R?*f4 and now 3.… Rd8+ 4. Ke3 (more versatile than Kc3 as P at f3 is attacked), Q*d1+ 5.Rf7 Re8+ 6.Kf4 Qd4+ 7. k*f3 a6 and black has an advantage although it is not yet won.
Again, Anonymous but actually psyche.
Jom layan ‘Part 2’ plak. ^_^
1. … Qh1
2. Kd2 Bf4!!
3. Rf4 Rd8+
4. Kc3 Qd1 and black should have decisive attack on the exposed white king!
Greetings from Bulgaria!
1. … Qh1+
2. Kd2 Bf4+!
White must take the Bishop because of 3. Kd3 Qxd1#. The rook does not have a check from f4 then.
3. Rxf4 Rd8+
Any King-move leads to 4. … Qxd1, and Black´s two extra pawns should win.
An attempt to produce eternal check with
4. Rd4 Rxd4+
5. Kc3 Qxd1
6. Qe8+ Kh7
doesn´t work eiter because the rook on d4 protects the square e4.
i think black has to sacrifice the bishop on move 2 to avoid the perpetual:
1. … Qh1+
2. Kd2 Bf4+
3. Rxf4 Rd8+
4. Kc/e3 Qxd1
5. f.e. Rf7
i think this is the critical line, but i’m quite convinced that black can keep checking the white king and hunt him down or exchange some of the heavy pieces. that should be enough to win considering the two extra pawns. greets, jan
1…Qh1 +
2.Kd2 Bf4+ ! deflects the r from the e file so that after
3.Rxf4 Rd8_+
4.Kc3 Qxd1 there is no perpetual…
1…Qh1+ 2.Kd2 Bf4+
[2…Rd8+ 3.Kc3 Qxd8 4.Rf8+ Rxf8 5.Qxf8+ Kh7 6.Qe4+ =]
3.Rxf4
[3.Kd3 Qxd3+]
3…Rd8+ -+
– SS
1 Qh1ch 2 Kd2 Bf4ch 3 RxB Rd8ch
& now white will lose in every variation
1.Qh1 kd2 2. Rd8+ qxd1 3.kc3 rc2+ 4.kb3 rc6+ 5.kb2 rxq
this can’t be that difficult guys hardly anyone finding it.
Looks like a draw after:
1. Qh1+ Kd2
2. Rd8+ Ke3
3. Qxd1 Re8+
4. Rxe8+ Qxe8+
5. Kh7 Qe4+ etc.
I don’t find anything black bishop can do to improve this, e.g. Bf4+ Kxf4 does’nt seem to help. White will play Re8+ on the first move he isn’t checked.
I did pretty much the same analysis as Yancey Ward and thgen hit on playing Bf4 (to prevent Re8 and the perpetual) a move earlier, ie after Kd2.
That seems to force the game into a Q+R vs Q+R where black has 2 extra pawns. Should be winning.
My follow up post to my original one suggesting 2.… Bf4+! was not posted. It showed a better move 6 which wins much more clearly as it exchanges queens. This was not posted so here it is:
1. … Qh1+, 2. Kd2 Bf4+! 3.R?*f4 and now 3.… Rd8+ 4. Ke3 (more versatile than Kc3 as P at f3 is attacked), Q*d1+ 5.Rf7 Qd4+! 6. K*f3 Qd3+ 7.Q*d3 R*d3+ 8. K moves e.g. Kd5 R*a3: 2 pawns up and a won rook ending.
Psyche / Anonymous
This problem which at first glance looks like 1500-1600+ problem at turns into a brilliant game that requires not just forced moves but a masters discretion with regard to his own king before (in a nutshell) using his queen as a lever to perform a series of king checks of his own to snatch a couple pawns and create an isle for blacks pawns to steamroll down one which will most definitely queen.