Black to move. How should Black proceed?
7k/5Q2/6pq/4K3/5PP1/8/8/8 b – – 0 62
Short – Kramnik (Corus A – rd 7)
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Yup, this is the game I was watching. 1. … Qxf4 solves it.
Qg5
This position is lost if it is black to move.
jcheyne
Then what happens after 1… Qxf4 2. Qxf4 ? Black is lost no?
1…. Qg5!! (if takes then it’s = because of stalemate) 2.f5 Qf4!! (if king takes then g5+ and in every case it’s a stalemate) and a perpetual check is highly possible
Qg5+ Looks like a draw
1… Qxf4 does not work as White can recapture with his queen.
I think that black’s saving grace is 1….Qg5+ ! which equalizes. If white takes the queen, then it is stalemate. If white’s king moves awaay, then black will capture the g pawn…..
Qxf4 loses to Qxf4. You have the right idea though.
1. g6-g5
I think the position before kramnik’s g6 would be a much better and beautiful puzzle.In this position after Qg5 white has Qf5 with complications..
These big guys _are_ tough: that’s what Short said after his match against Kasparov, in which he was close to winning several times, but mostly got nothing better than a draw.
Qg5+ and stalemate
Oops, sorry. Position blindness. I had it 1 move back, with the pawn on g7 and the king on f5. I was following the game online and noticed that Kramnik could have forced the draw from that position with 1. … Qxf4+ 2. Kxf4 (else 2. … Qxf7) 2. … g5+ with stalemate to follow whatever White does.
I read the caption “Endgame improvement” and my brain immediately assumed Susan had posted the earlier position, asking us to improve on what Kramnik played. Instead, we were to find what Kramnik actually played, which was … Qg5+ and Short responded with fxg5 for the stalemate.
From the position as given, I don’t see an improvement for Black on what Kramnik played.
Apologies for my carelessness.
Qxf4 is so bad that Qg5 is much better because of stalemate
Qg5 =
Qg5 was the right move played by Kramnik. There can’t be an improvement on that. Susan of course got the wrong position here because I think she meant to put up the position where Kramnik missed Qf4.
I saw this game on FICS, a guy called “plk” saw this stalemate which could have been forced one move earlier than showed here in the problem.
Here as shown black plays Qg5+ and white respond with (a blunder, i think) fxg5 and the game is stalemate (draw).
One move earlier in the game the black pawn was on g7 and white king on f5 with black to move. Now black can FORCE stalemate by
1: – , Qxf4+
2: Kxf4 , g5+
Really nice….
“… black plays Qg5+ and white responded with (a blunder, i think) fxg5 …”
Of course not. Just some means of making it at draw without having to ask for one.