At the half way point, Anand has regained the sole lead by defeating Grischuk in a very good game. With the exception of Svidler – Aronian game, everyone fought hard in this round. Aronian is not at his best as he is on antibiotic.
Current standings:
1. Anand 5.0
2. Gelfand 4.5
3. Kramnik 4.0
4. Grischuk 3.5
5-6 Leko, Aronian 3.0
7-8 Svidler, Morozevich 2.5
Round 8 matchups:
GM Svidler Peter – GM Kramnik Vladimir
GM Aronian Levon – GM Morozevich Alexander
GM Gelfand Boris – GM Anand Viswanathan
GM Leko Peter – GM Grischuk Alexander
Your prediction?
Chess Daily News from Susan Polgar
Those Mexicans keep calling Anand “the Hindu Grandmaster”. I agree that he is a Hindu (by religion), but he would rather be referred to as an Indian GM. I dont think anyone else is referrred to as “the Jewish GM”, “the Christian GM”, etc. To refer to people as “Hindu GM”, just stinks. It is very much possible that some Indian Christian/Muslim chessplaying child who idolizes Anand, could start crying just at the site of the remark.
[Anand] would rather be referred to as an Indian GM
How do you know?
To refer to people as “Hindu GM”, just stinks
Really? Why does it matter? Gelfand is an Israeli GM. Does that stink?
How about the phrase you used: Those Mexicans? That sounds genuinely pejorative to me, whereas “Hindu GM” is descriptive.
[In actual fact, it’s probably just a matter of translation, and avoiding the word “Indian” because of its Native American connotations, but I’m in the mood for arguing the point. Nationality is as significant as religion to many (why not just say “GM”?), and the argument about crying children is ridiculous]
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don’t know what kind of religion that is …
yeap, and just for you to know, american people say hindu, not indian … and this has nothing to do with religion … you are making a big deal out of nothing … get a dictionnary before insulting mexican people
My faith in Kramnik has wavered a bit. I’m not sure he has what it takes to survive a tournament of this sort.
I’m confident he could win a direct match against each of them however..
Or he just wants to avoid Topalov.
Remember:
IF Kramnik wins, then there is a Kramnik-Topalov match for the Championship.
IF anybody else wins, then there is a Winner-Kramnik match for the Championship.
It well could be, that Kramnik chooses say Anand or Gelfand for an opponent over Topalov… :))
GM Svidler Peter – GM Kramnik Vladimir 1/2
GM Aronian Levon – GM Morozevich Alexander 0-1
GM Gelfand Boris – GM Anand Viswanathan 1-0 –> After several years, it’s time for Boris to finally beat Vishy!
GM Leko Peter – GM Grischuk Alexander 1-0
I’m learning a lot about chess and life-in-general by following these games live, with GM commentaries. Grishchuk-Moro, Anand-Grishchuk, Anand-Kramnik, Kramnik-Grishchuk, and Kramnik-Gelfand, are really good stuff.
What is interesting is these players are so well matched, it takes a LOT to convert a small advantage to a win.
aside: interestingly, referring to Anand as a “Hindu GM” is amusingly appropriate. historically speaking, “Hindu” is a term ascribed to people in the Indus valley by folks who invaded it from Afghanistan etc in medieval times. i.e., it didn’t really matter what their religion was, they were called hindus by the invaders.
Today, for the segment of the population in the region that is enlightened (which is also the segment that you folks in the west interact with), Hinduism is not really a religion… it’s a collection of philosophies. You will not hear anyone preaching religion to you… or being “religio-centric”
(comment doesn’t obviously apply to politicians who exploit the unenlightened folks)
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hey susan can you tell us more about aronian’s condition (healthwise) since the media is mum about it even in Armenia.
Anand is the only player who managed to win with black. He seems well prepared for d4 from black side. Will be interesting to see how he plays against a master like Boris.
As of Hindu, forget the historical facts. Today Hindu word is identified with the religion. So if people have problem with calling Anand Indian then probably they can call him Bharatiy ( Belonging to Bharat which is official name of India).
chris: “Gelfand is an Israeli GM”: “Israeli” refers to nationality. So, Anand should be designated as “Indian GM”, which refers to nationality, not as “Hindu GM”, which refers to religion. Religion isn’t not relevant to describe people, as it is a private matter.
I have not seen Aronian, Kramnik or Anand yet. I did talk to Kramnik’s team (VanWely and Hensel).
I expect to see Anand this morning at 9AM. I will send regards to him from the 1 billion Indian 🙂
Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
To Chris,
It is rediculous to say that one can officially call Anand as Hindu Anand. That too, because some sector of people in one Country get confused with the term Indian.
For you, religion may be more than a nationality. But as for as official sites are concern they should not…
For Billions of Indians, Anand is always a Indian GM.
Hi Chris,
Quote:
[In actual fact, it’s probably just a matter of translation, and avoiding the word “Indian” because of its Native American connotations, but I’m in the mood for arguing the point.]
They have two words, so no confusing is made: índio=native american, and indiano=indian.
Svidler – Kramnik Vladimir 0-1
Aronian – Morozevich .5- .5
Gelfand Anand Viswanathan 0-1
Leko Peter – Grischuk 1-0
The word for Indian in Spanish is “Hindú”. A cursory reading of the Official Website’s English version would convince most that the text was translated from Spanish.
It’s safe to assume that there’s no conspiracy theory. 🙂
In Chinese: in-di-an-ren for American Indian and in-du for India Indian, regardless of the religion of the in-du-ren.
And “India” is just a different way to spell “Hindi” or “Hindu”. When you deal with people who speak different languages, it pays not to get all worked up about what YOU think someone means by a particular term (such as “to refer to people as ‘Hindu GM’ just stinks”) and patiently try to understand what they really mean. It would be odd indeed if they referred to the GMs by their religion rather than their nationality, but I really don’t think that’s what they are doing.
ok i spent the whole day calling good friends GM all around the world concerning the HINDU -INDIAN problem … just to have different perspectives…
the result is that
1 . GM ben laden would like to be quoted as muslim
2. GM Bush as Amerrrrrrrrrricanos
3. GM michael jackson as U.F.O
4. and GM balloon as GM balloon !!!
does that feed your occidental brain ????
wnduwcReferring to Anand as a Hindu GM is just silly. You can see that he is playing under an Indian flag. He is an Indian GM. For all you know he may not even be a Hindu. Only about 80% of Indians are Hindus. (It so happens that Anand is a Hindu, but I am sure he has never referred to himself as a Hindu GM.)
I have even seen him referred to as a Hindi GM. This is just hilarious (ignorant?!). Hindi is a language spoken by about of 1/3 of Indians.
While I admit that features such as live game etc. are very helpful in keeping track of the championship,I would also like to point out that for an event of this level, one would expect more professional websites with better translations. This would certainly help promote the game better.
People of different countries have different sensitivities. Religion is a rather divisive factor in India. It would be nice to see him being referred to as an Indian rather than a Hindu.
I agree with the “GM” point made by Chris, if only.
the site for leko – kramnik in switzerland was perfect … it should be an exemple for the next tournements …
i tried to call anand … it was his answering machine saying ” forgive me topalov !!! ” ( kramnik giggling in the back )
we will call an indian an indian when you will work on your sens of humour !!!
To “Anonymous 9:25:00 AM”
It’s not funny to try to make a joke with Ben Laden, who is one of the worst criminal in all human history.
Evil is Evil.
Sam Sloan
“How about the phrase you used: Those Mexicans? That sounds genuinely pejorative to me, whereas “Hindu GM” is descriptive.“
I agree. It would stink if an European called Anand “the Hindu Grandmaster”. However, with such high IQ levels in North & Central America, it is surprising that they are even able to spell “Hindu“.
I agree with Chris. Should have used a descriptive phrase.
Like… Redneck Chris
Like… Chris from Bushland
Here is the translation from the “Real Academia de la Lengua Española”:
hindú.
(Del fr. hindou).
1. adj. Natural de la India. U. t. c. s.
2. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a este país de Asia.
3. adj. Perteneciente o relativo al hinduismo.
4. adj. Partidario del hinduismo o adepto a él.
So according to the official spanish dictionary Hindú is both “born in India” and “belong to hinduism (which is the religion)”.
well, hindu or indian, you are full of hate mister … and you read too many magazines … ben laden the worst criminal in human history !!! AH AH AH !!! and you talk about IQ level !!!
P.S i deeply agreed with chris ( or shall we say christ to put oil on oil ??? )
Call Anand as “Anand” if you can’t call him as Indian GM. A Hindu GM may come from a different country and India has many other religions than Hindu. Many of Anand’s fan like me are Muslims and we think of Anand as representitive to South Asia as a whole not of a religion. Stop calling Hindu for such terrible purposes…..
In spanish “Hindu” refers to the nationality; in the english traslation of the official site they translate –wrongly– directly to “hindu” instead to “indian”. Its just an error, not with bad intentios (or conspiracy).
Maybe someone should notify them about it.
you people are idiots. dont be so sensative over nothing. I bet most of you are white americans, its so funny how a group of white people in the usa are always being offended for other people who arent actually offended by whatever it is
Anand is not only a “Hindu” GM but a Tamil Iyer GM.
Howdya like that.
In Perso-Arabic India is still called Hindustan.
Actually I suspect that most Americans would object if the Spanish Negras was translated as “Negro” instead of “black”. Ask Maurice Ashley if he minds.
Similarly most Indians mind when the Spanish “Hindu” is translated as Hindu rather than Indian.
@Chris, Gelfand may or may not mind if he’s referred to as a “Jewish” GM as opposed to “Israeli”. But it would be an inexact reference because there are many Jewish GMs (the lady who runs this site for example) who are not Israelis.
Most Indians object to being referred to as “Hindu” regardless of their religious convictions. Anand must be cringing. He’s a gentleman and unlikely to lose focus protesting it but he wouldn’t like it.
I’m Indian, I’m Hindu and I know Anand well as an intelligent google of my blogger id will confirm.
There are over 250 million Indians who are not Hindus by birth, there are many millions of Hindus, who are not Indians, scattered across the rest of the globe. There are multitudes of Hindus everywhere, who are non-practicing.
It’s an inexact as well as offensive mistranslation/reference. My knowledge of Spanish leads me to agree that it’s unintentional but it’s still insensitive.
Regards,
DD
Why the hell is it offensive to Hindus, DD?It is something for the Hindus to be proud about.
Anon
An individual can only claim membership of a religion for himself; it’s offensive for anyone else to make that claim on his behalf.
It is not offensive to be a Hindu; it is offensive to have somebody else saying “Oh you’re Hindu – that is your identity”, when you don’t necessarily see it that way.
To take a broad example, it would be offensive if you called an atheist, a “Christian” or “Muslim” or “Hindu”, simply because his parents were born into that faith.
That’s what I find offensive. Don’t tell anybody what his religion is; his faith is not your business.
Anand plays under the Indian flag. That’s a unambiguous defining part of his identity.
He may or may not be a practising Hindu. He has never made any public reference to it. Then why should anybody use this tag to define him?
but you talk non sens cause the mexican meant indian, not hindu !!! and that’s the only fact that you take in consideration … the rest is bitter
bitter YES !!! the first guy who post this scandalous line talked about ” THOSE MEXICANS “, then ” STINK “, then ” IQ LEVEL ” etc etc … so he basically took the HINDU INDIAN in hostage to put his bitterness on this blog … there is nothing else to say … now, you can find one thousand reasons to continue to fight … but the root of this fight is rotten like hell … shame on you
So, wouldn’t it be better if the Mexicans took the trouble to write “Indian” instead of “Hindu” and not cause this confusion? Why are Indians supposed to be telepathetic about what Mexicans “meant”?
we didn’t hear you asking them to apologize for yom kippur !!!
” l’hypocrisie est un vice à la mode et les vices à la mode passent pour des vertus “
Who’s “we”? Who’s “They”? Why should anybody apologise for Yom Kippur?
The top players in US are either Jewish and/or immigrants. Most WASPS do not high enuf IQs for chess.
have y checked the title of the page by any chance????
what a load of …..,