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1. Qg8+ Rf8
2. Rxe6+! dxR
3. Rd8+! RxR
4. Qxe6#
Very interesting position. But somehow it just occurred to me quickly.
“Very interesting position. But somehow it just occurred to me quickly.”
Ok, what about 4. … Qxe6 then? 😉
don’t have forced mate.
How about Bh6… next Ke7,Qg5 or Kd8,Qf7.
Waiting….
No, sorry, doesn’t work. This is it
1. Rd6d4, Qe5
2. Rh4, d5
3. Rh8, Kd7
4. Qfx7, Kd6
5. Qe7#
Queen can’t move from the e column early, because of Qxe6, dxe6 and mate to follow with the rooks. white cant’t do 2. …, Qxh8, because of Qxe6# to follow.
I belive this is the correct answer.
What about after
1. Rd6d4 Qe2 ?
White wants to play Bh6 but …Qg4 is adequate defence. Therefore R6d4first then if Qe2 (forced to stop Rh4) …Bh6 and Qg8+ is killer.
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Ok, got it, if 1. …, Qe2, then 2. Bh4, threatening 3. Qxe6, Qxe6 4. Re1, …, which black can’t avoid
in my opinion, the position is draw. because, the movement Qg8, and Qf7 or Qg6 is defendend by rook and repeat movement.
@pthagonal
Such oversights happen with my analysis 🙂
Embarassing for me to overlook the Black Queen’s presence 🙂
How about this:
1. R6d4 threatening to shuttle over to the K-side.
1. … Qe2 tying the white rooks to each other, stopping the rook from going to the kingside. However the queen can no longer access the d8-h4 diagonal, so…
2. Bh6 threatening 3. Qg8+ next.
How can Black stop Qg8+ without losing material? Black’s bishop and queen, as well as Q-side rook is out of the defense. Black has no defenses.
1. Rd6d4, Qe5
2. Rh4, d5
2…Qg7 looks fine for Black.
I like Bh6 best.. if Qg4 than Re6+ winning and I can’t see any other sufficient defence against Qg8+
Bh6 Ke7 doesn’t win for white if, Qg5 Rf6 Qg7 Rf7 Bg5 Ke8 leaves with the same starting position
Also R6d4 Qe5 Rh4 Qg7 is also not winning
1.Bh6 Ke7 (1..Qg4 2.Rxe6+! as proposed by anonymous) 2.Qg5+ Ke8 (2…Rf6 3. Bg7 +- (3.Qg7? proposed by senthil.. has no interest)) 3.Qg8+ +-
fj seems to be right but
1. Bh6 Ke7 2. Qg4 Rf6 3. Bg7 Qe5 would leave white with an exchange up and a possibility of Queen exchange
But I wonder if that’s the best white can come up with.
If
1. R6d4 Qe2
2. Bh6 Qg2 still defends the check at g8
I would suggest
1. R6d4 Qe2
2. Rc1 Ba4
3. b3 and I don’t see a defense against 4. Rh4
Whatever white does, it must deal with the threat of Ba4, therefore I think R6d4 has to be the first move in the continuation followed by a protecting move to support the c2 pawn.
Yancey
Can we just push the h-pawn?
Folks, why did nobody come up with 1.Rxe6+ yet? Should win instantly.
DV
yancey
1. R6d4 Qe5 2. Bh6 Qf6 basically doesn’t gain much for white i think
Senthil, I didn’t see Qe5, but,
1.R6d4 Qe5
2.Rh4 Qg7
3.Qg7 Rg7
4.Rh8 Kf8
5.Rc8 leaves white up the exchange.
There may be better continuations, for white, but I am doing this without a chessboard right now (supposed to be working).
Yancey
that should have been Kf7.
Yancey
yes it seems that best white can come up with is an exchange up after 4. ..Kf7 5. Rxc8 Rxg4 would leave white with an exchange up.
R6d4 line or more direct 1. Bh6 Ke7 2. Qg4 Rf6 3. Bg7 Qe5 would leave white with an exchange up.
I believe Rxe6 doesn’t work because of Qxe6
What is going on here? 1.Rxe6+! wins the game outright. If 1…Qxe6 then 2.Qxe6+ dxe6 and 3.Rd8# and over. Seriously…
What is going on here? 1.Rxe6+! wins the game outright. If 1…Qxe6 then 2.Qxe6+ dxe6 and 3.Rd8# and over. Seriously…
There’s this little matter of a Black rook on c8 ….
The toughest line that I can find is 1.Bh6 Qg4 and only now 2.Rxe6+ dxe6 3.Qxe6+ Re7 4.Qxc8+ Kf7 5.Rf1 with a healthy pawn plus and a big initiative.
White still has work to do for the win, but I’d far rather try to win it as White than try to draw it as Black.
@Anonymous
I believe in your line after ..Re7 Qe7 will be a check mate I believe for Bh6 the best response would be Ke7
I believe in your line after ..Re7 Qe7 will be a check mate
… and that, as they say, is what makes horse races. Do you and I have the same starting diagram? 1.Bh6 Qg4 2.Rxe6+ dxe6 3.Qxe6+ Re7 4.Qxe7+ is not “check mate.” Or did you mean something else?
I believe for Bh6 the best response would be Ke7
“[B]est” is kind of semantic here. 1.Bh6 Ke7 2.Qg5+ seems to seal the deal for White. Then again, you never claimed that Black could hold this position.
1 Bh6 Ke7
2 Qg5 Ke8
3.Qg8 Ke7
4 Bg5 Rf6
5.Qg7
If 5…Kd8
6. Rd7+ abd mate follows.
if 5…Ke8
6. QF6 and mate unstoppable!
yeah sorry missed it completely my bad then right now this seems to be best line for white.
1.R6d4 Qe5 2.Rh4 Qxg7 3.Qxg7 Rxg7
4.Rh8 Kf8 5.Rxc8 Rxg5
seems to be better line for white as it goes exchange up
pete what about
1 Bh6 Ke7
2 Qg5 Rf6
Sentil
After Rf6
3.Bg7 Qe5
4. Rd7+ Bd7
5. Bf6+ Qf6
8. Rd7+ and Black loses Queen!
I insist. This is it
1. Rd6d4, Qe5
2. Rh4, d5
3. Rh8, Kd7
4. Qfx7, Kd6
5. Qe7#
Queen can’t move from the e column early, because of Qxe6, dxe6 and mate to follow with the rooks. white can’t do 2. …, Qxh8, because of Qxe6# to follow.
And, if 1. …, Qe2, then 2. Bh4, threatening 3. Qxe6, Qxe6 4. Re1, …, which black can’t avoid.
really, check those out!!
I insist. This is it
1. Rd6d4, Qe5
2. Rh4, d5
Try 2…Qg7 with a small edge for Black.
Where can I find the solutions for the posted ‘Find the right continuation’?
Thanks