The game will start soon. Any prediction on the first move? 🙂
[Event “World Championship”]
[Site “Bonn”]
[Date “2008.10.23”]
[Round “7”]
[White “Anand, V”]
[Black “Kramnik, V”]
[ECO “D18”]
[WhiteElo “2783”]
[BlackElo “2772”]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 Kramnik is mixing things up right away. This Slav line is pretty solid which suits Kramnik better.
5. a4 Bf5 Other choices are 5…Bg4 and 5…Na6 but they more risky.
6.e3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8.0-0 Nbd7 9.Qe2 Bg6 10.e4 O-O 11.Bd3 Both players are playing very fast. It does not seem that Anand is taken back by the new opening choice by Kramnik.
11…Bh5 12. e5 Nd5 13.Nxd5 So far, everything is still in the opening book.
13…cxd5 This is a better recapture. Taking back with the e pawn is not as strong as this one.
14.Qe3 Re8 This move has been played but I do not think it is as popular as 14…Be7 to stop the Knight from going to g5. Anand is finally taking his time with his 15th move. I would play 15.Ng5 here to force Black to change the dynamic of his pawn structure, perhaps weaken it a little.
Kramnik should have a good memory with this line from his World Championship match against Topalov. In game 2 of that match, he played 14…Bg6 and won (a very lucky game). In the first playoff game, he played 14…Re8 (as in this game) but after 15.Ne1 continued with 15…Rc8 (that game ended in a draw).
15.Ne1 This has been played as well. I still would prefer 15.Ng5. Just a matter of personal preference.
15…Bg6 Another sound choice is 15…Rc8. It is perfectly fine to delay retreating the Bishop to g6.
16. Bxg6 hxg6 17. Nd3 Another move worth looking at is 17.Bd2 to go into a Knight endgame instead of Bishop versus Knight. Again, it is a matter of preference.
17..Qb6 18. Nxb4 Qxb4+= 19.b3 An interesting option is 19.Bd2 Qxb2 20.Rfb1 Qc2 21.Rc1 Qf5 22.f3 Qh5 23.Rc7 It is approximately even but it does have plenty of play.
19…Rac8 The best location for the White Bishop is on the a3 square to control the a3-f8 diagonal.
20.Ba3 In this position, Kramnik has to make a decision. Does he want to keep the Queen on the board with 20…Qa5 or 20…Qb6 or exchange it with 20…Qc3. The better move is 20…Qc3. However, White can play 21.Rac1 and the game will most likely end in a draw. If he is not down by the score of -3, I expect him to play this move. But given his current score, he may have to take chances, or maybe not 🙂
20…Qc3 Kramnik chose to play the best move even if it will likely lead to a draw and not make an inferior move.
21.Rac1 Qxe3 22.fxe3 I am not sure why Anand is take quite a bit of time for this move. The other choice of 22.Rxc8 is bad for White. 22…Rxc8 23. fxe3 Rc3 =+
22…f6 23.Bd6 White is very slightly better but Kramnik should have little difficulty drawing this game. This may serve both players well as Anand is 1/2 point closer to retaining his title and Kramnik gets a comfortable game to regain his confidence after 2 very bad losses in a row. He will be in the position to have 3 White in the final 5 games to make a comeback.
23…g5 24.h3 White has many playable lines such as 24.a5 or 24.Kf2. All lines give White a small edge.
24…Kf7 25.Kf2 Since the Queens are off the board, there is no danger for either side to bring their Kings out. In fact, it is one of the basic rules of chess to activate the Kings in Queenless endgame. Black is spending a lot of time on his 25th move. I do not blame him. It is quite difficult to find anything concrete to give Black a chance to score a full point. 25…Kg6 is probably most logical here. I still expect to see a draw at the end.
25…Kg6 26.Ke2 One thing I do recommend to my students is when you are having a hard time coming up with a plan, make the most logical moves. There is not much happening on the board so the players are making sound and logical moves.
26…fxe5 27.dxe5 b6 In this position, both 28.b4 or 28. e4 are playable. 28.b4 a5 29.bxa5 bxa5 30.Bc7 Rf8 += or 28.e4 Nc5 29.exd5 exd5 30.b4 Nxa4 31.Kd3 Nb2+ 32.Kd4 +=
28.b4 Anand chose to go with a more solid continuation. This stops the Black Knight from getting to the c4 square unless he plays a5 which leads to the line I just showed above.
28…Rc4 White must play 29.Rxc4 dxc4 30.Kd2 and White’s position is solid with a slight advantage. White cannot allow Black to double the Rooks on the c file.
29.Rxc4 dxc4 A good plan for White is to play 30.Kd2 then c3. Another one is Rc1 forcing Black to put his Rook on c8.
30.Rc1 Rc8 Once Anand plays g4, Black has no way of getting his King past midfield. Anand is consolidating his position toward guaranteeing himself a draw with zero risk. He does not want to give Kramnik a chance to get his King into play with Kh5, h4 then g3.
31.g4 Here is my opinion about the match etiquette in this game at this point of the match. Kramnik is down by 3 games. Anand’s position is slightly better. Normally either player can offer a draw in this position. However, given the current score, I would not expect to see Anand offering a draw. It would be up to Kramnik to do it since he is the one behind. Of course there is no rule regarding this and of course Anand can reject and play for the win. It is only my opinion 🙂
31…a5 White should not trade and just play b5 and not to give Black counter play. Black’s problem is the c4 pawn is weak and his a5 and b6 pawns are both on dark squares which is not a good thing. 32.b5 is good for White. The plan is after b5, e4, and then Ke3 and Kd4. Black is banking on the fact that the White King cannot cross the midfield either. It means that Black thinks he will be able to hold.
32.b5 c3 The idea is even after White wins the pawn, the Rooks are off the board and the White King cannot make progress. By the way, do not count on your Rybka or Fritz to precisely understand this position. When White gets his King to d3, Black can play Nc5+ and that would lead to a drawn endgame. Therefore, before White can play Kd3, he must get his Rook closer to the c2 square. But even with that, I do not see how White can make progress.
33.Rc2 Kf7 Perhaps 34.Kd3 is in order now. But I fail to see a winning line 34…Nc5+ 35.Bxc5 Rxc5 36.Rxc3 Rxc3+ 37.Kxc3 and neither King can make progress.
34.Kd3 Nc5+ 35.Bxc5 Rxc5 36.Rxc3 Rxc3 1/2
e4!
d4
d4
c4
e4. I think Kramnik will go for sicilian defence.
There will be one – that is more than we could have said on some occasions in the past.
Kudos to the style and gentlemanly sportsmanship of the two contestants: respect.
Nf3 may be to give kramnik something to think abt
d4…because it’s been working so far for Anand.
CHESS TRIVIA QUESTION
In 1994 Kramnik lost his quarterfinal-match for the PCA world championship with the same result of 1.5 to 4.5 as he is trailing right now.
The match in 1994 was alraedy over at that time (best of 8).
The challenger for the PCA world championship in 1995 was in the end … Anand.
Question: But who was the player who beat Kramnik in 1994 with 4.5 to 1.5 points?
Just wonder what Anand has up his sleeve with White this time.
Good question. Who?
The player who beat Kramnik was Gata Kamsky 🙂
Kamsky
undoubtedly two of the best to play chess ever. the important thing about them is both have maintained an impeccable character both on and off the board. kudos to the two players.
I don’t think they are the best ever. Anand is good, but Kramnik plays very erraticaly
Was krammnik victory over Kasparov..in PVA ..was genuine..I doubt Kasparove handed over his crown…to a fellow Russian..as he was &still is in in good terms with Krammnik?
Any indepth knowledge of this..??
Soory..not PVA ..last PCA
this game seems to be following Kramnik – Topolov in Elista at least for some time.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3362
How does Black play to win this position?
Was 14. Bxh7 possible?
I might already be paranoid….but is black already at a disadvantage here??
its Draw ..going to be!
No dude i dont think
14.Bxh7?? because
14.Bxh7 kxh7
15 Ng5 Qxg5!! wins
I might already be paranoid….but is black already at a disadvantage here??
No dude its gonna be roughly equal and black is at good position only.
15. Ne1!! Bg6 16. Bxg6 hxg6 17. Nd3
has prooved why anand played Ne1
Anand has been playing very psychologically against Krammink..In his first win, game 3, he psychologically knew , Krammnik shall play ..to protect his queen from black bishop..so that he could take his bishop to h3 , then rg2+…he let all this moves happen under time pressure from Krammnik..
way he played 15rg8 ..in game 5.
And again when he played Qb3 ..in game 6 early on..I saw the clipping he was staring at krammnik face . ..while Krammnik is looking at airs to ponder the move…
I think vishy today shall try to draw only..with no unnecessary risks..as he had already his fill…
I want to express my heart felt thanks to Susan for providing excellent Insights..at the instance of move ..very accurate & treat for us Chess Lovers
why is he taking so much time for this move?i wonder what is on his mind??
Susan look like busy somewhere else while there are plenty of moves has been played
May be Anand would lose in time..this time
commond anand show us some innovations…
15. Ne1! Bg6 16. Bxg6 hxg6 17. Nd3 Qb6 18. Nxb4
It is 15. Ne1, Bg6 16. Bxg6, hxg6 17. Nd3, Qb6. See in
http://87.230.38.130/apache2-default/toma/tfd_neu.htm
Is your web site slow or there is something wrong in my side.
What does the ‘+=’ sign mean?
Susan has it after Kramnik’s move no. 18…
how about playing Bd2?
supposing
19.Bd2 Qxb2??
because of
20.Rb1 queen trapped
can white play Bd2 any suggestions
http://www.uep-chess.com/index_live.html
Above has 10 servers you can choose
its not trapped it still has c2 square
ehat is wrong with a plan like Qf4 followed by Ra3?
Kedar see the second page here – += means white has a slight advantage.
http://www.markalowery.net/Chess/Downloads/pdf_files/Introduction/symbols.pdf
“What does the ‘+=’ sign mean?”
It means that white is slightly better.
+/- for example means that white has a moderate advantage.
+- means that white is winning
If black is better than the symols are =+, -/+ and -+
A simple = obviously means that the position is dead equal.
kedar, I’m not familiar with the symbols either so I searched and found these:
Symbol
Meaning
! Good move
!! Very good move
? Bad move
?? Very bad move, blunder
!? Interesting move
?! Dubious move
= The position is about equal
+= White is slightly better
± White is clearly better
+- White is winning
=+ Black is slightly better
-+ Black is clearly better
-+ Black is winning
Hope these help….can anyone confirm if these are accurate?
This game seems a draw, the position is equal uptill now.
Confirmed.
± and +/- have the same meaning.
Susan need your comments fast…
fxe3 move has not played on the server while susan typed it? he could have played RxR
White has an edge. Black has to be carreful not to deteriorate (and should quickly propose draw -considering the situation !). It seems to me the bishop is stronger than the knight in this position.
Steph.
Did Anand already make this move (22.fxe3)? I don’t see it in the live server link http://87.230.38.130/apache2-default/toma/tfd_neu.htm
[i]sathish said…
No dude i dont think
14.Bxh7?? because
14.Bxh7 kxh7
15 Ng5 Qxg5!! wins[/i]
So, if 15. …Qxg5, then 16. Bxg5, how does black win? What don’t I see?
SUSAN! You should open a Twitter channel to follow matches like this one.. Much more interaction with viewers. Good idea?
14.Bxh7 kxh7
15 Ng5 Qxg5!! wins[/i]
So, if 15. …Qxg5, then 16. Bxg5, how does black win? What don’t I see?
16…Bxe2.
anand played h3..
[i]sathish said…
No dude i dont think
14.Bxh7?? because
14.Bxh7 kxh7
15 Ng5 Qxg5!! wins[/i]
So, if 15. …Qxg5, then 16. Bxg5, how does black win? What don’t I see?
yes there is a win ionnas after
16.Bxg5 Bxh4
24. h3 kf7
susan – your comments?
sorry i mean 16… Bxe2
Now Black should just wait (propose draw) not commiting himself. If not there is a big risk of a long long torture from white and 4-0 !
Actually Anand might want now to push futher on.
Steph
Hi Steph,
both players reached their level because they don’t think anything else but how to win this kind of postions with the stones they play.^^
JP
Black can draw by accurate play even though white has a very slight edge.
A favorable end game for white is certainly on the cards if black makes any mistake.
White do got a small +.But more importene:Who would without doubt play such endgames against capablanca, fischer or even worse Kramnik?..i would say it must be a bit more easy for black here cause of the very few but playble lines.
I think Kramnik should accept and offer draw.
What is the procedure to offer or demand a draw in such a standured matches? Lets imagine if Kamnik say “Anand please gime me draw” and anand says “No”. does it happens?
We have no way of knowing who is playing to win. We are not mind-readers.
We’ll see. I don’t have the clear path but something like K to d3, e4, a5 (maybe before to restrict the knight) then b4 and an opening of the a file with the rook. Since the white King is better placed, then R on a7 (+B f8 for example) will be much stronger then R on c1. So +-.
The thing is what can Black do ? It’s as low progression difficult to cope with.
Sorry if my message sounds unclear !
Steph.
if u a bit of chess u can say it heading for draw, unless kramnik keeps repeating the mistakes of previous games. I dont think Anand wiil refuse a DRAW.
It is clearly a good position for black who had a better knight against worse bishop.
Anand leads 5-2!
I really get a feeling that something is cooking in Anand’s mind. He seems to have seen something Kramnik has not.
Not a good feeling in the stomach for Kramnik. Settling for a draw is Kramnik’s best option. A seemingly simple move in the past has brought disasters..so better safe than sorry.
@ anom 9:40
Sometimes I am. And it’s no fun to be it.
@ all
Difficult to play for black.
Short trial of an analysis of the position:
W – bishop bad, but activ
W – can exchange rooks if he wants
W – can move the king to the q-side
W – has some more space on the q-side
B – knight needs many moves (if possible) to attack the white pawns on the black fields
B – f6-f5 looks dangerous atm
B – loses c-file if he wants to exchange a rook
B – must wait if W wants to attack on the queen-side; any preamture move seems dangerous
So bringing this to the persons. Kramnik risks a rejection of a draw offer atm, if he does this. Anand can take some time to look if Kramnik makes a mistake (with the match score in his mind).
What do you think?
JP
it will be a draw for sure..
‘One thing I do recommend to my students is when you are having a hard time coming up with a plan, make the most logical moves.’
How would you define ‘logical moves’? Thank you.
I think Kramnik is again going into the trap of anand that is TIME problem and invarible kramnik makes some or the other blunder move.
“It is clearly a good position for black who had a better knight against worse bishop”
I don’t understand? How come bishap is bad, and the knight which can hardly move a few peaces is good?
“Lets imagine if Kamnik say “Anand please gime me draw” and anand says “No”. does it happens?”
I am not quite sure what you want to ask with “does it happens?” but what really happens if one player proposes a draw and the other player declines it is simply answered: they play on.
What should they do instead? 🙂
Logical moves in this position is to activate the Kings and putting the pieces in the best possible squares.
Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
We will see a comeback of Kram.
And again, he is powerful and will request a rematch. In the rematch, Russian Chess School will prevail.
Dont like Vlad fxe5l think it opens his kingside way too easily.
‘Logical moves in this position is to activate the Kings and putting the pieces in the best possible squares.’
Thank you very much for your explanation.
“the thought is that Kramnik offered a draw. Objectively, it’s not a bad offer, but Anand rightly rejected it. He can play on without any real risk, and given the pain Kramnik has suffered the past few days, he should strive to heap on some more while he can.”
from the chess mind blog
Hi Jochen,
I wated to know that does it happens often players ask for draw to eachother? wont it boost the confidence of other player?
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‘I don’t understand? How come bishap is bad, and the knight which can hardly move a few peaces is good?’
Because is that the position is blocked, and all good books say that then knight is a better piece to have. The black knight not moving is temporary, whe it starts jumping, all will break loose.
Thanks Susan for the hint e4.
Now it’s difficult to find the right timing imo. (Level ~1900)
white Bishop is Dominating Black knight. This is why white is more better, maybe the best better since the starting of the game.
That’s not a ‘definition’ of ‘logical’: that’s an example of logical in this scenario.
Jeez
@ Jeez
And the scenario is chess.
It is clear as the sky is blue, white has doubled pawns, therefore black is better.
If you read Internet, one of the best grand-masters Yusupov wrote that Kramnik is better than Anand in endgames. This is endgame, so it will show soonest or later.
When it gets to the time control do the players keep the time left or do they both start from zero?
Kramnik got a threat from his wife to go ahead with 26 …fxe5 saying otherwise I will not let you screw me tonight!
What happens if black play b5 (pawn offer) and put his horse on b6?? then its freed to all strong squares.
I don’t know what you guys think….but this is great!! We are following a WCC match live and have up to the minute commentary by a GM. Which bring me to the next point….with Susan’s comments we are seeing how a GM thinks!!! Which by the way is also frustrating since I have discovered that I am waaaaaayyyy offfff. I have to do a lot of trainig to increase my 1350 raiting!!
Did anand reject Kramnik’s draw offer ?
Anand is from India. India is from Asia. Asia is from Earth.
Anand is thus the best chess playing person on planet earth.
I think anad refused on the ground of adultery
Isn’t 31…a6 pretty much forced?
There are at least two posts above, inside here, that do not belong here.
They were posted by mean people, or a mean person, for the purpose of being mean to good people.
Please remove them.
Kranmik 33 minutes left
while Anand 57 minutes left.
What you guys think?
No, ‘the scenario’ is the particular position we are looking at.
an amteur’s opinion – how bout c3 for kramnik? and maybe he can open rook in future moves
Well, Kramnik didn’t think 31…a6 was forced, but 32.b5 looks very strong here.
My battery of silicon-enhanced advisors tell me that White is edging ahead all the time, over a Pawn now.
from chess.com:
Apparently Kramnik offered a draw after 21…Qxe3 earlier, which explains why Anand thought for a few minutes about recapturing! Good for Anand for declining the draw and playing on!
Cheers
Peter from Denmark
Great blog you have Susan!
‘match etiquette’
I respectfully disagree. Such a thing should not exist in a sportive game. It’s an invention of the past. There are abiters to determine the “etiquette”. In short-it’s nonsensic.
There is not even a dress-code in Bonn, so, come on, what are we talking about?
I don’t really understand Susan’s comment on move 31 about Anand accepting a draw offer if requested…
Why would he accept when he’s clearly got good winning chances here (even before a5), and virtually no chance of defeat?
Very clever c3 from Kramnik which forces the draw !
33.Kd3 Kc5 =
Seph
i dont see any advantage for white as of now – draw it should be
This looks like a clear draw to me…..but I have been proven wrong before. Unfortunately for Kramnik…he needs wins, not draws. So now he needs 3 wins in the next 5 games. The sand is running out of Kramniks sandwatch.
Looks like a clear draw. If white wins c3 pawn and rooks are off, how can white win?
Black will just move the king around, without touching his knight (because Bc7 would follow) and White can’t do anything
how is white winning a pawn here?
33. Kd3 Nc5+ 34. Kxc3 Nxa4+ 35. Kd2 Rxc1 36. Kxc1 Nc3 and it is black who wins one more pawn!
There is a big advantage for white. Kramnik has to fight for a draw. Thats wearing him down even more psychologically. So much for “i’m a solid player”. It’s time for brown faces to rule the world in chess and politics. Does anyone see any parallels?
” By the way, do not count on your Rybka or Fritz to understand this position.”
hmm thanks for ur comments sp
Of course not now…. But sooner or later White will be able to capture it, but just that, not to win
Anon said: ‘There is a big advantage for white. Kramnik has to fight for a draw. Thats wearing him down even more psychologically. So much for “i’m a solid player”. It’s time for brown faces to rule the world in chess and politics. Does anyone see any parallels?”
NO!! Come on, can you political junkies ever take a break???
“By the way, do not count on your Rybka or Fritz to understand this position.”
Haha, I was waiting for that actually. I’m following the game here: http://chessok.com/broadcast/live.html with Rybka 3 showing a > +1 advantage for white.
Would it be possible for Anand to push for a win after the rooks are traded with something like e4, Ba3-c1-e3?
common anand kd3 and a pawn advantage
Any consideration for Rh8 for black? The h and g pawns of white are weak, too. Going for them opens the c file for white, but black might get sufficient counterplay on the king side. this is what Kf7 seems to be preparing for.
The problem with Kd3 is that it is met with the knight check threatening the a-file pawn, and then it gets very drawn-looking.
Perhaps interesting is e4, although doubtful if anand will play it
It is over.
1/2-1/2
1/2-1/2. I don’t understand it though. Doesn’t black have any play after Ra3?
Aw, come on!
1/2-1/2. I don’t understand it though. Doesn’t black have any play after Ra3?
What Ra3? Kxc3 captures black rook.
I really think Anand had a chance with his h pawn’s to pierce into blacks area with the help of the king.
black king is virtually halted and can do nothing about it… Just my thoughts though…
These exchanges can be done before itself.i think Anand was having someother plan !!
At 22.fxe3 you wrote the following:
I am not sure why Anand is take quite a bit of time for this move.
But Kramnik actually offered a draw here!
Thank you Susan for the commentary. Ignore the stupid comments by a few idiots.
“What Ra3? Kxc3 captures black rook.”
oh ok. they have the final position wrong here. lol.
http://chessok.com/broadcast/live.html
It has kind of become fashion to make vulgar comments in public (Kramnik , wife comment up). Some people feel they are being ‘cool’. Fact is, such comments are not welcome, they show no class. Dear comment maker, before reacting to my comment, it might be prudent to take a vote on this among your own friends.
Aw, come on!
I think people who make such comments are very poor getting others attention. Giving them an emotional speech or reacting back would not helps since this is what they need. The only way to solve this kind of problem is just to ignore such cooments and not to react at all. That will put them in deep frustration and they will realize they are wasting there time.
Suneel
Sunil, I agree with you generally. But Susan Polgar’s blog is very educational. Imagine parents and children following the blog together and all of a sudden this pesky remark pops up! It’s just not done. And Susan has especially requested to mainain decency on her blog. It’s not as if you are sitting in your college or office canteen with your friends alone, where you can behave as you please. I think some people need to be told how to present themselves in public.