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I predict the title will be unified at last.
1] Kramnik will be the: “FIDE Over the Board World Chess Champion”
2] Topolov will become the: “FIDE Technical World Chess Champion”
Hopefully Kramnik wins tomorrow, so we can have a true undisputed champion. If Toplov wins, the arguements will never end, due to the Game 5 forfeit.
Well, Hensel already clarified in his letter that:
“Consistent with this standpoint Vladimir Kramnik will be playing this match, including a possible tiebreak, up to the last move under protest.
Should the decision of FIDE regarding the fifth game have any influence on the awarding of the World Championship title, with Mr Topalov receiving the title after being granted a free point for the unplayed game, Mr Kramnik declares unequivocally: “I will not recognize Mr Topalov as World Champion under these conditions, and I will take legal action against FIDE at the end of the World Championship.””
FIDE will not concede to the fifth game request so Kramnik will play the tie-break under protest.
In 64, in an interview with Grischuk about his blitz tourney victory in Israel, the reporter states that Kramnik has a +2-4 deficit in rapid games against Topalov.
So it looks like Topalov will have an advantage in the tie-break.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3416
http://www.64.ru/?/ru/magazine/year=2006&no=10&part=320&article=1239
Draw… and Topalov will surprise everyone and beat Kramnik in the tiebreak.
Anything but a Kramnik win… he is terrible for chess:
1. Boring style of play
2. Draws 90 percent of his games.
3. Not active enough
4. And may I point out, that it was Kramnik who started this entire mess by going to the bathroom before each move, as a ploy to distract Topalov, or cheat… either way, it’s not sportsmanlike.
Topa pushes the action and is way more deserving who hasn’t really had a winning position in the entire match that Topa, didn’t blunder with one move.
As was said on ICC the other night. Kramnik will destroy Topalov in the final game. And “Kramnik should win since he is cuter”
Did anyone else catch that on the live ICC broadcast the other night? lol
Hmmm…I think I am misinterpreting what is being said in the Grischuk article. The +2-4 deficit is in half-open games as opposed to closed. Anyone know what their record is against eachother in rapid?
I just can’t fathom that there are people who are so deluded as to honestly, truly think that Kramnik is to somehow blame for going to the restroom……….
It seems they merely want Topalov to win, even at the expense of his reputation in accepting a free and meaningless off-board victory.
I think that tomorrow it will be a draw and Topalov will prevail in the blitz. I am surprised by the fact that so many people so zealously attacked Topalov like hyenas instead of putting the blame on the appeals committee. He just showed up for the match, the judge set off Kramnik’s clock and that was it. So far in the match, Kramnik has not won a single game – it was Topalov who lost them. All intrigues aside – I very much enjoy Topalov’s style of playing and don’t see how boring Kramnik or Leko style chess would popularize the game…
Only time will tell. The Americans (USCF) should decide. No Americans playing, so as a neutral monitor USA will know what to do best.
Kramnik’s record against Topalov in rapid:
OK I looked at the Cap D’agde tournaments and Amber (excluding the blindfold) and I see that Kramnik has only 1 loss and 4-5 wins over Topalov. However, Topalov seems to be very comfortable playing fast in this match and these statistics are skewed before the large upsurge in Topalov’s elo.
“It is a shame he is being made to win by +2 by cheating Topalov.”
How often will you honest people use the word “cheating” and similar?
Can’t you get it that grandmasters of chess don’t cheat?
I will say its +4 for Kramnik at 15ply means if the match is decided tomorrow
Its +5 for Topa at 30 ply, when the rapids will decide.
Its all unclear after that it will be a bigger mess than we now know.
If Kramnik wins, Topolov will have lost to a Royal Flush.
Kramnik’s doping test will decide, FIDE will probably find some illegal substance. Just kidding 😉
I would want Kramnik to win….
If it is a draw then Topalov has a chance as in Blitz games attackers have higher advantage than defenders. Inaddition ,Topalov I feel is better in Blitz than Kramnik.
Anyway,I want Kramnik to win…Anyone know when is the Tie Break scheduled ?? Oct 13th or 14th ??
I agree with Mark that if Topalov wins the match – either tomorrow or in tie break – this whole exercise has been a $1,000,000 waste of time. None of the dozens of GMs who have openly supported Kramnik will recognize Topalov as the legitimate champion. I certainly won’t. Even if he had won the 12 games by more than a point, the last thing the game needs is that whining bully at its summit.
Topalov did not cheat. He filed a complaint.
Kramnik gave up a point and now wants it back. I think this is childish.
Kramnik already has won. The challenger to the real title, Topalov, complete with having to only play 11 of 12 games with colour favors of white a majority of the time, shows us that Kramnik is already at at least 5.5 points out of 11 – enough to secure the rule that draw odds are insufficient to steal a title. One must beat the champ to claim the title, and Topalov doesn’t even stand a chance, in one game or two, of stopping Kramnik from gettting at least 1/2 point in the next two rounds or 0 points in tomorrow’s round alone. Perhaps Topalov would have better luck in trying to schedule a re-match than to try and use potty-training solutions to cure his blundering tedencies.
It will probably be a draw,
maybe a quick one.
I would be surprised if Kramnik plays the tie-break.
http://badbenoni.blogspot.com/
>The Utah Resistance said…
I agree with Mark that if Topalov wins the match – either tomorrow or in tie break – this whole exercise has been a $1,000,000 waste of time.
I had a gut feeling that Utah will support Kramnik 🙂
If I understood it well, Topalov has only one right, to lose. He is so morally abject. Well, I understand you, let’s excommunicate him.
On the issue of “Topalov – better blitzer”, if I am not wrong , he is not an excellent blitzer. The odds are 50-50, more or less.
I predict a draw. What happens after that is entirely unpredictable.
But anything bad that might happen to Kramnik could not even begin to repay him for the immense damage (second only to Ilyumzhinov) that he inflicted on chess by his truly despicable actions from 2001 to 2004.
I hope Topalov wins so finally we can have some diversity in the chessworld. Most of the world champions have been from Russia or defected from Russia. Why not have a breath of fresh air?
Also, Kramnik’s style is not as interesting as Topalov’s. He is the better defensive player. However, Topalov is a player who doesn’t have the nerves Kramnik does and tends to win only when he is psychologically in the mood (look at his spectacular pattern of winning streaks and then his inconsistent blunders). Therefore, I predict a draw tomorrow and then Topalov will lose on tie breaks. If Topalov plays with an element of risk and surprise and is in top form, then I predict he will win tomorrow–especially if the Kramnik team plays defensively, thinking that a drawish game will lead to a winning position even if he loses the tiebreaks (given that Kramnik is low enough to think that he can change the conditions of the world championship match simply because he is a bed buddy with Putin). As far as I am concerned, Kramnik will have lost if he loses the game, he can’t keep the title just because he doesn’t like his forfeit. Why didn’t he show up for game #5? Why does everyone feel sorry for him when any normal chessplayer wouldn’t have the power to get the appeals committee fired in a chess tournament?
Who will win tomorrow?
I have no clue. It will be interesting to see what Topalov will play as Black. Is he going to the same 1.d4 d5 system which most probably will result in a draw or something that creates imbalance right away.
I think kramnik will push like in Brissago Game 14.
An interesting lesson from Brissago was Leko’s passive play that lead to his downfall. Leko could have held that game by playing more actively but I guess he was playing for a draw.
In any case, tomorrows game will be interesting.
I think it really show the character and determination of both players.
I hope the match is decided without rapid games.
As far as LOGIC is concerned, Topalov will win tomorrow. Otherwise, the whole story around the match would make no sense. Why would such a chaos happen around Game #5 if it was for no reason?
As far as JUSTICE is concerned, Kramnik will win tomorrow. Otherwise, the whole story around the match would make no sense. Why would a player have to suffer through such a chaos around Game #5 if it was not for a Happy End?
As far as PROBABILITY is concerned, Game #12 will be a boring draw.
So you choose what you want. To close to call!
I think Kramnik goes for it and plays an aggressive e4 line, notably not played yet, since he really has nothing to lose. Give this some thought…Kramnik has virtually every GM that counts on his side, plus probably 80% of the chess playig world. He also stands a pretty good chance of winning a most unprecedented lawsuit (I dont see how forcing a forfeit on a player after the appeals committee’s blatant, admitted error will hold up in court). This being said, its not hard to fathom the Kramnik camp having that train of thought…”what have we got to lose?” So, I say go for the gusto and bust out some serious preparation in a sharp e4 variation.