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Does anyone recognize this game?
1. f4 e5
2. fxe5 d6
3. Nf3 dxe5
4. Nxe5 Bd6
5. Nf3 g5
6. c3 g4
7. Qa4+ Nc6
8. Nd4 Qh4
9. Kd1 g3
10. e3 Qxh2
11. Rxh2 gxh2
12. Kxc6 h1(Q)
13. Ke2 Qh5+
14. Kf2 Qf5+
15. Kg1 Bd7
16. Qd4 Bxc6
17. Qxh8 0-0-0
18. Qg7 Be5
19. g4 Bh2+
Hint: Pataky-White, 1978, From’s Gambit
How can we get Bill Goichberg away from the USCF?
On Chessbase they had an original idea to reduce the number of draws in tournaments: just invite Morozevich and Shirov to every tournament!
Honestly, how often do you see the leader of a round robin tournament having two losses?
I have not read any substantiated criticism of Bill Goichberg on this blog.
Could we have a ‘resolution’ that any criticisms aired on this blog are accompanied by factual justification and positive solutions for the issues implied.
Susan have you heard any more information on Bobby Fischers medical condition? I heard he was hospitalized in Iceland for kidney problems and acute parania. Is any of this true.
Thank you
“I have not read any substantiated criticism of Bill Goichberg on this blog.
Could we have a ‘resolution’ that any criticisms aired on this blog are accompanied by factual justification and positive solutions for the issues implied.”
Goichi has a bad habit of sending nasty postcards about USCF EB Candidates during the election cycle. Either you know nothing about the last 12 months (and the antics of Mr. G) or you are one of Goichi’s stooges.
Answer to chess trivia:
This looks like one of GM Polgar’s first games demonstrating her ability knock men out senseless with her chess skill. I think she was 9 years old when she played this game!
I agree with a resolution to stop unsubstantiated criticism of anyone! Another USCF Lifer
“Anonymous said…
I agree with a resolution to stop unsubstantiated criticism of anyone! Another USCF Lifer”
Yeah, but substantiated criticism is okay?
Do tell.
To ‘chess historian’, I’d say that I am not totally ignorant of Bill Goichberg’s contributions to US Chess.
And not being anyone’s stooge, I am not in, what are sadly, the separate Goichberg or Polgar camps.
You incorrectly assumed that one of two extreme scenarios pertained. A more careful, analytical and objective perspective, indeed, one which a historian would use, is possible.
I note that Tom Polgar-Shutzman’s USCF rating was 1342 (end 2005) and 1563 (end 2006), but is now back to 1483.
Why is this? Has he lost some of his interest in chess? If so, is this a ‘good thing’ or a ‘bad thing’?
I question whether the Goichberg style tournaments like the one that just concluded in Las Vegas or Foxwoods or World Open are the best model for chess in the long run. I think that College Chess Leagues and Greg Shahade’s US Chess League and the tournaments like the Amateur Teams in February are a healthier model if you want to attract and retain more normal adult players. Then have more tournaments like the Spice tournament and the one organized by Muradian in Chicago to attract titled players and up and coming juniors. The retirement communities of Arizona and Florida each have club rooms with hundreds of avid card players and tennis teams. It’s probably too late for this generation of retirees but chess is one of the best mind games and should be promoted to the boomers (the next generation of retirees).
That is a ridiculous question about Tom Polgar’s rating. I wonder what the poster’s USCF rating is. Anyway, kids are notorious for gaining and losing rating points based on all sorts of factors, one of the most common is the amount of tournaments they play. I bet that if you looked at the MSA you would see that he played in a lot more tournaments last year. Partly that may be because there were more tournaments nearby in NYC than in Lubbock and it may also have to do with growing up and finding other interests. Keeping a rating of 1500 plus as a scholastic player takes a lot of practice and maybe, between moving and starting at a new school and making new friends, chess has not been such a priority.
to the last poster then wgat do you say about ivanchuk? was he moving up and making new friends?
dear Susy; that giant turtle is so beautiful!! where did u get it from?
i am a little annoyed at seeing how ivanchik was punished with the rating crap, he played more games than anyone else, he wins tournaments and now he bearly makes it to the top ten??
its a lot of bllst…. and who is the champion then kramnik? i mean, anand really isnt the champ everyone wants i thik so by the attitudes, im done here.
i wonder who of the wonder kids will be here in the next twenty years???
answer me in 20 years jeje.!
ivan and anand sure were ici.
ybe and have a happy new year!
jb.
Anon of 8.04 CST seems somewhat defensive – almost like a parent.
Apologies if it is necessary to have a USCF rating to ask questions about USCF ratings: I must disappoint as I have none.
However, I am interested to know whether chess is a good thing for children (especially mine) and if so, to what level of intensity. On the face of it, this complex, book-laden, time-consuming and isolating game has much to be said against it, despite its fine history.
As a parent, I think there are ample reasons to teach your kids to play chess. It is a game that is great for your mind, encourages focus and concentration and which transcends generations, national, ethnic, religious, socioeconomic differences. Kids can play with their grandparents and go to foreign countries where they don’t know the language and sit down across a chess board in a park and play. But there is a big difference between playing casual games of chess and training to be a top junior. Probably akin to becoming a top pianist or violinist. Hours a day of study. It’s not coincidental that several top juniors are homeschooled (Ray Robson, Nakamura, the Moon brothers from Georgia, Caruana (?)). Not to put down homeschooling but it’s like up and coming musical prodigies, actors, tennis players, figure skaters who attend correspondence school or professional children’s schools. Whether it’s studying chess, piano, tennis, etc., it’s very difficult to excel without putting more time into it than most traditional schools will allow. (There are of course exceptions — Robert Hess, Marc Arnold, Daniel Naroditzky though I don’t know the particulars other than that they go to school). And the bottom line with respect to chess is after all that hard work, then what? You make IM or GM and have to scramble to make a decent living.
Thanks to ‘Anon’ of 12.59. That’s about where I am …
It seems that a basic acquaintance with games of various kinds will develop some useful character traits, but that too great an obsession (by definition) with those games is not necessarily healthy.
I’m also (by definition, again) not in favor of too much pressure being applied by parents either. It is far too easy for parents to try to impose their preferred future on their children.
Chessbase’s favourite received idea about preventing draws was that a draw offer, once made, could be accepted at any time in the future.
I agree with Chessbase: it’s a great idea.
Is there anything being said elsewhere about SPICE’s program of chess-based research?
I don’t see anything on the web.
I see a lot of parents living vicariously through their kids and/or imposing their preferred future on their kids but not only at chess tournaments. It’s equally prevalent at soccer games, gymnastics meets, prestigious music schools, tennis matches, figure skating competitions, fencing meets and in every college guidance office in the country where mommy and daddy can’t get over the fact that junior is not going to Harvard. The sooner you can learn to back off and let your kids find their own passion, the better off both of you will be.
“Anonymous said…
Is there anything being said elsewhere about SPICE’s program of chess-based research?
I don’t see anything on the web.”
The researech is top secret.
Go away.
That’s very funny, ‘x’: nice one.