Final standings:
1. Carlsen, Magnus g NOR 2765 8
2. Ivanchuk, Vassily g UKR 2740 7
3-4. Karjakin, Sergey g UKR 2732 6
3-4. Eljanov, Pavel g UKR 2687 6
5-7. Volokitin, Andrei g UKR 2684 5½
5-7. Jakovenko, Dmitry g RUS 2711 5½
5-7. Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2740 5½
8-10. Alekseev, Evgeny g RUS 2711 5
8-10. Svidler, Peter g RUS 2746 5
8-10. Nisipeanu, Liviu-Dieter g ROU 2684 5
11. Van Wely, Loek g NED 2677 4
12. Onischuk, Alexander g USA 2664 3½
What is your final impression of this tournament?
Chess Daily News from Susan Polgar
It has been confirmed by FIDE that this tournament will be rated for July list. So Carlsen is the new number 2.
Anand, Kramnik and Topalov must be shaking in their boots. Their FIDE reign achieved through drawing to the end will soon come to an end. Let’s see how Fide, Anand, Kramnik, and Topalov try to block Carlsen from getting a shot at the World Championship in years to come.
On Chessmetrics, Kasparov was #2 at roughly the same age, as well. It wasn’t until around 20 yrs. that he was able to surpass Karpov, though. If Magnus puts together a few more outstanding tournaments, he may be on top before the end of Autumn. I don’t believe the top players are too fearful at this point… a match is a whole different animal, and the veterans have far more experience than Magnus.
Ivanchuk is just 0.7 behind Carlsen after his 3.5/4 finish- he has gone up over 50 points since April- why nobody mention him?
Carlsen has gone 2765 to 2792 (+27),
Ivanchuk 2740 to 2791 (+51).
Ivanchuk has done better so far this year overall. He has gone up nearly twice as many points as Carlsen and is just 1 behind.
Ivanchuk is having a good run as well –
being first in M-Tel, then 2nd in this one. Two very strong tournaments back to back.
Had he drawn the first game with Carlsen they would tie for 1st place.
That’s true… Ivanchuk has been absolutely solid lately. The final two games at Aerosvit were gems. He gets less talk, of course, because of his age and inconsistency. Nonetheless, he started much chatter after his MTel win, which was superb. If he keeps it up, he’ll attract as much attention as Magnus’s climb.
Magnus is coming to get you Vishy!
Look out!
Ebutajib says that “It has been confirmed by FIDE that this tournament will be rated for July list.” – but where do you find this confirmation??
“Ivanchuk is just 0.7 behind Carlsen after his 3.5/4 finish- he has gone up over 50 points since April- why nobody mention him?”
Because Chucky has a small bottle of Orange Juice.
Magnus has the Humongus Orange Juice Bottle and it is getting Bigger!
http://www.chessvibes.com/coverstory/carlsen-will-be-the-worlds-no-2/
“The final two games at Aerosvit were gems. He gets less talk, of course, because of his age and inconsistency.”
Actually, his is inconsistent because of his drinking binges.
If he quit drinking, Smrinoff Vodka would have to close its facility in Minsk
Ebutajib is a FIDE spy working for Nevis and St. Kitts.
How much money did Magnus make?
How much for Ivanchuck?
How does the Elo system take account of “older” games? Carlsen is young and presumably has improved rapidly in the last 5 years or so. A large proportion of all the games he has played were played when he was weaker. Invanchuk, on the other hand, has played a greater poportion of his games as an adult. This would tend to reduce the impact of the games he played when he was weaker.
Doesn’t that imply that a very young person with an Elo of 2780 is probably stronger right now than a middle aged person with the same rating?
Ivanchuk has had the best year so far- his best 2 tournaments have higher rating performance overall than Carlsen’s best (here) 2881, mainly due to his superb Mtel (2977)
erick- the amount that Carlsen plays his rating is quite accurate- he has played consistently at 2800 this year and he is already nearly there.
Chucky is getting less attention because he has long been in the top 20 and regularly yo-yo’s up and down from near the top to below 10th. Ho-hum! He’s done it again. Expect him to crash down again soon. Last at Bilbao?
Strange goings on since April list:
KRAMNIK plays no games, is 2788 in April and July lists, yet drops from world number 2 to world number 5.
MOROZEVICH rises 14 points yet drops from world number 3 to world number 4.
Topalov gains 10 ponts yet drops from world number 4 to world number 6.
2776 was above 3rd in April, below 6th in July.
Apparently gaining 10 to 15 points is not enough to keep your ranking at the top in today’s market…
The Americans have to do a better job in these elite tournaments.
C’mon Onischuk!
Ivanchuk perhaps making 2800 and world number 1 after all his ups and downs is no less exciting than Carlsen’s rise to the top. Ivanchuk has the level- I hope he is in a more stable solid period this time- I am very impressed with how he shook off his first round loss to Carlsen and still made a 2800+ performance- no collapse evident yet.
Mtel was a breakthrough for Ivanchuk after so many years in the wilderness since his great Linares victories.
about the tourney… aside how magnus is so great and is soon to be the king of chess etc. etc. etc…
4 out of top 5 are from ukraine. uhm… wow… 4/5? if these four were put together and performed like this for the olympiad… woa…
How does the Elo system take account of “older” games? Carlsen is young and presumably has improved rapidly in the last 5 years or so. A large proportion of all the games he has played were played when he was weaker. Invanchuk, on the other hand, has played a greater poportion of his games as an adult. This would tend to reduce the impact of the games he played when he was weaker.
GOOD POINT ERICK
they had an average performance of 2746…
Well done Chucky! It’s easier to reach the top than to stay there, let alone to reach it twice!
Ivanchuk first reached number 2 spot back in 1991 after his great Linares win- he was the first to seperate Kasparov and Karpov!
Some 17 years later…
Hmm Carlsen must have still been 0 at that time Ivanchuk first go to number 2 (he was born towards the end of 1990)!
Eric said :
“How does the Elo system take account of “older” games? Carlsen is young and presumably has improved rapidly in the last 5 years or so. A large proportion of all the games he has played were played when he was weaker. Invanchuk, on the other hand, has played a greater poportion of his games as an adult. This would tend to reduce the impact of the games he played when he was weaker.
“Doesn’t that imply that a very young person with an Elo of 2780 is probably stronger right now than a middle aged person with the same rating?”
Not at all. The ELO is an estimate (usually fairly accurate for active players) of someone’s CURRENT chess strenght. It is not a direct tally of all the wins, losses and draws of a player.
And so Carlsen’s early games (from when he was younger and weaker) do not weigh more on his current ELO than Chucky’s early games weigh on his.
There is one way in which, sometimes, a young player’s ELO may misrepresent his or her actual playing strenght: The ELO system was primarily designed to track the progress, or decline, of adult players who are unlikely to experience meteoric increases in their playing strenght.
So when a youngster makes extremely rapid progress, his or her ELO may lag behind somewhat. It is most blatent at the low amateur levels, where you will sometimes see a kid with an 1100 rating win a weekend tournament against players in the 1300-1500 range, for example.
But at the 2700+ level, this lag, while it may still exist, is fairly slim.
Hope that clears things up a bit.
Woohoo, my guys finished in the top 2 spots! Go Magnus! Go Chucky! Look out, Anand! 😀
“Ivanchuk has done better so far this year overall.”
i think that is at least debatable. imho the best measure of that is the total performance over all the games played this year, not some random measure like “best two events in terms of average tpr” or something. i would also put some emphasis on consistence (higher total number of games played makes the performance more significant statistically) in such a performance measure and average strength of opponents. also, personally i consider it stronger to perform 2800 against 2700-opposition than against 2650 opposition, even if the formulas for make no such judgement
(of course it takes a higher relative score to make a 2800 tpr against 2650 than 2700, but i consider tprs to be more meaningful and exact against scores closer to 50% than 100%. my personal rule of thumb, is that tprs based on 80% score or more should be slightly distrusted :o)
personally i’ve got a slight problem seeing that ivanchuk’s record should be any more impressive than carlsen’s, if we consider specific, big individual events:
carlsen:
shared 1st in corus
clear 2nd in linares
shared 1st in baku
clear 1st in aerosvit
all performances 2800+
ivanchuk:
shared 5th in corus
6th in linares
clear 1st in mtel
2nd in aerosvit
specifically, ivanchuk has placed (clearly) behind carlsen in all 3 events both participated in (1 point behind in corus, 1,5 points in linares, and 1 point behind in aerosvit)
frogbert- how do you put the supreme Mtel performance (8/10 against near 2740 average) into the balance then? That changes everything- that was by far his best achievement here. Mtel is what makes all the difference.
Apart from having the best Elo performance and finishing well ahead of Ivanchuk in the three tournaments where they have faced each other (counting Amber would make it four), Carlsen has also won both the decisive games between them in 2008. Ivanchuk has naturally also had a very good year though.
FIDE changed it’s mind:
Foros WILL NOT be rated for July list. Carlsen won’t be #2 yet.
http://www.chessvibes.com/coverstory/thank-you-fide/
To correct anonymopus 8:31:00 AM CDT, Ivanchuk has done best by ELO performance due to Mtel- he has gained 51 so far compared to 27 by Carlsen- so despite doing worse in the other three, Ivanchuk did so much better in Mtel than Carlsen did in Baku that he has the best ELO performance overall.
It seems that Chucky will be oscillating between 2740 and 2790 in the near future…while it is not possible to calculate Carlsen’s ceiling….just look at his rating graphics on FIDE website…
Mtel 2008 was an all time great tournament- not just another clear first on the list.
eg. Karpov did quite poorly in 1994 outside Linares, but who remembers that? By comparison, Ivanchuk has been solid outside Mtel- but what counts is he is the one with the dream tournament. His Mtel is better than 3 ordinary first places. This is why he goes up nearly twice as many rating points as Carlsen.
So, Carlsen will not be #2 in the next FIDE list. But he will soon be #1, who can stop him? Better to jump to #1 directly…