Pros and cons of the Candidates matches system and organization
Debate arises after the Candidates on short draws and media coverage
Right after the Candidates matches a public debate on the system, coverage, and organization of the WCC cycle was opened. Many chess professionals and enthusiasts gave their opinion on the subject, we present you in chronological order the ones of Silvio Danailov, Georgios Makropoulos, Susan Polgar, Mark Crowther, and Kevin Spraggett.
Dear All,
I was personally present in Kazan during the Candidates Tournament. These are my conclusions:
The current KO system (short matches) for the Candidates tournament is negative for chess. The reasons are as follows:
1. So far we have 27 draws out of 29 games in classical chess, about 95% (!!). Many of these draws were very short – 12,15,18 etc. moves. Even in rapid games we have draws in 8 (!!!) moves. This is shame and disaster for the image of chess and FIDE. The question is, why didn’t the WCOC introduce the Sofia Rules on time?
2. Some of the players were making short draws on purpose, in order to decide matches in rapid chess or blitz. But the point is that if we have WCC in classical chess, why should we decide the matches in blitz? Knowing very well from the past experience that the KO system leads to and tempts with that, why does the WCOC recommend it?
3. The PR results of Kazan are very poor. With probably small exception of Russia, there doesn’t appear any interest from international Press for this event. This also hurts chess and FIDE.
Conclusion: The WCOC who is responsible for this system failed, and should resign immediately. The FIDE PB should appoint new WCOC on next meeting in Al Ain in order to avoid before mentioned mishaps and to improve the situation in the future.
Best regards,
Silvio Danailov
President of ECU
Dear all,
With great surprise we read the announcement of Mr Silvio Danailov on 25 May, accusing the members of the FIDE World Championship Committee as being responsible for the high percentage of …draws(!) in Kazan. A non-chess reader would really wonder whether the members of the World Championship Committee were the ones playing in the Candidates Matches. Once more Mr Danailov shows no respect to the top players, we hope under his competitive capacity of a player’s manager and not that of ECU President.
If it wasn’t for Mr Danailov ‘s dual role as President of ECU and manager of top players, no reply would have been necessary to this incredible announcement, as its content speaks by itself for the poor quality of his arguments. Everybody in professional chess knows very well that if two grandmasters desire during the game to draw it, there is no way to force them not to. FIDE has valuated various ideas in the past (for example the “no draw offer before move 30” or the so called “Sofia rule”) but the truth is that applying such regulations to a World Championship Cycle needs further input from the top players and their national federations. Mr Danailov should understand that chess players cannot be whipped to dance to his tune, especially those fighting for the World Championship title.
FIDE is in the process of conducting discussions for future improvements on the format of the cycle and the announcement of Mr Danailov came immediately after receiving such a questionnaire (in his capacity as Veselin Topalov’s manager) from FIDE WCOC member Emil Sutovsky. A couple of weeks ago Mr Danailov also announced his intention to run for FIDE President in 2014. Seeing the opportunity to promote his own political agenda, Mr Danailov abused his position as ECU President and FIDE’s desire for feedback from its top players, to attack through his reply whom he views as “political opponents”, instead of participating constructively in the on-going dialogue for the future World Championship cycles. Mr Danailov has not understood yet that he has been elected to the position of ECU President, with a monthly salary accompanying it, in order to serve all European chess players and not only his future political ambitions in FIDE.
We therefore ask Mr Danailov to participate in the dialogue initiated by the World Championship Committee in a productive manner as nobody else is sharing his rush to connect everything with the FIDE elections in 2014. We also confirm once more that the interests of all top players are protected by FIDE, of course including those of Veselin Topalov.
Best regards,
Georgios Makropoulos
FIDE Deputy President & WCOC Chairman
In the past few days, thousands of chess fans gave their opinions about the recently concluded Candidates’ Matches in Kazan. The main complaint was there were too many draws, over 90%. Even the President of ECU, Mr. Danailov, and the Deputy President of FIDE, Mr. Makropoulos, spoke out about this issue.
As someone who competed in Candidates and World Championship matches, Chess Olympiads, and as an organizer of major tournaments in the United States, I am looking at this serious issue from both sides of the coin.
As an organizer, it drives me crazy to spend so much money and time to organize prestigious events to see short draws. It is also nearly impossible to explain it to the sponsors, donors, and chess fans. I do not like it at all.
This is why in the last SPICE Cup, I instituted the 3 point for a win / 1 point for a draw system, in addition to no draw offer before move 30. Because of this, the 2010 SPICE Cup was more exciting than previous years. Everything came down to the final round. It was a dream for an organizer.
For invitational events where the organizers pay excellent conditions to the players, I full support these measurements to ensure exciting chess.
Now we will look at the other side from the perspective of a player. We must examine this with various types of events. I will select three for this discussion:
1. Open tournaments
Players usually must pay for entry fees, food, hotel, and transportation costs (This is mostly the case in the United States where professional players are usually not very much respected. In fact, they have to even bring their own chess set, board, and clock to tournaments.) when they compete in an open tournament. Once in a while, there may be some small conditions to top level players but this is in the minority.
If someone pays their own costs to participate in an open event, who are we to say that he / she cannot offer or accept short draws, especially when their rent money is on the line? It is the difference between being able to pay rent / mortgage versus being homeless, literally!
The fans can say all they want but if a player can win $5,000, $10,000, or more by accepting a draw versus getting a few hundred bucks or even nothing if they lose, almost every professional player will take the draw. Their number one obligation is to themselves and their families, not to the fans or sponsors since there is usually none in these tournaments (in the United States).
This is the sad state of chess where most professional players struggle mightily financially. This is why so many promising juniors quit chess at an early age, especially in America, because they understand that this is not a way to make a living.
2. Chess Olympiads
National federations usually pay to send their national teams to compete for medals. What is the objective of any team? The answer should be to win medals, especially the Gold medal. I won 10 of them (5 gold, 4 silver, and 1 bronze) playing on board 1. My job was always to put my team in the best position to win. That means playing for 2 results in every game. It is usually up to the team captain to decide on the game by game strategy.
So if this is the case, who are we to say that a team cannot offer or accept quick draws if it helps to clinch a medal, especially gold? Now if there is a sponsor for a national team, would that sponsor prefer to see the team win medals or no short draws?
3. Candidates or World Championship Matches
What is the objective of the Candidates Matches? To advance to the next match and to eventually challenge the World Champion. Most players dedicate their whole lives for this opportunity.
What is the objective of the World Championship match? To win the World Championship crown. This is the ultimate goal for top level professional players. Only a few handful of players accomplish this.
A lot of time, effort, energy, and money are spent in both of these types of matches. Every player has a second and sometimes a team of seconds. They work with the seconds long before and during the matches. These people do not work for free. It is a very expensive process and cycle.
Every player and every team want to win. In this case, who are we to say how they should win? If a player is really ill and on that particular day, he / she has black. If you are in the same position and for whatever reason, your opponent offer you a draw after 20 moves, would you take it when you can hardly focus or see the board? Or would you say no way because I would be letting my fans down?
Again, each player is playing for the ultimate title. Shouldn’t he or she have the right to choose the best path to get to the endgame which is to win the big one?
The other side of the argument from the organizers and fans is if players chicken out and play safe all the time, chess will lose sponsors. They have a point too. When you have boring events, the sport will suffer.
I agree. This is why we have a stalemate.
Some fans suggest that since there is no draw in tennis, basketball, football, baseball, or other major sports, the same thing apply to chess.
Again, let me inject the other side of the coin.
There is no draw in tennis but some players do tank on purpose. If a player is not comfortable on a certain surface, he / she sometimes give half an effort just to collect the paycheck, rest, and head to the next event. It happened on many occasions between the French Open and Wimbledon.
In basketball, football, and baseball, many managers and head coaches rest their starters when their teams already clinched a spot in the playoff. They want to make sure their stars are on their A game when the games really matter. This happens every year.
And in the examples I pointed out above, the fans pay good money to see these games where in chess games can be viewed online for free. So what is worse? Taking short draws in chess or giving only half an effort in other sports?
I am not trying to defend either position. I merely point out the many different angles of this debate.
Full opinion by Susan Polgar here
Mark Crowther on the Candidates in TWIC
Boris Gelfand qualified for a World Chess Championships Match against Viswanthan Anand by winning the final game of his match against Alexander Grischuk. Gelfand and Grischuk clearly played the best chess in the event and Gelfand was in the end a worthy winner.
Post-Match discussion has centred round the amount of draws in the event. Whilst there is obviously some concern as to whether computer chess preparation is going to completely ruin the game, I think there are some more pressing issues.
Firstly, this Candidates could have been the most brilliant event ever and the mainstream press wouldn’t have known. I had thought one of the main reasons of signing a deal with the company “Chess Lane” which happened around the time of the last Olympiad was to promote the World Championship. Instead they seem to have disappeared altogether.
So it was up to FIDE. I was caught some Formula 1 TV coverage over the weekend. I find this “sport” tedious in the extreme and don’t have much interest. Indeed what many say they feel about chess. But what they do is market their sport to as wide an audience as possible. We do know there is some appetite still for chess stories in the mainstream media, but FIDE gave their own championship no chance. Because they did nothing. Press kits? Contact mainstream media? Press releases? Anything? Chess has really lived off Fischer and then Kasparov for the approaching 50 years, Magnus Carlsen is making some progress for some mainstream recognition but more needs to be done. All sport is promoted through its players.
Kazan did a good job in filming the event, something they clearly do for the many sports they promote. The Candidates was used as a promo for the Universiade 2013. So the World Chess Championship Candidates has now fallen some way below a Universities event in importance, an event I’d never heard of before.
Also how can the World Chess Championship be taken seriously when the Candidates and World Chess Championships are seen as something that FIDE need to organise in order not to have a crisis rather than the showcase for the game they should be. To criticise the players when most of them did nothing but prepare for the last 6 months is to miss the point entirely.
If you organise a half-assed event with a poor format you’re pretty much asking for a miracle for the players to make it better than it deserves. Matches need to be a lot longer to allow players to take risks (and that also applies to the world championships) and also to start to break the preparation of their opponents. In fact matches need to be longer because that’s the only way they work. What we saw was more akin to the end of a World Cup or the FIDE Knockout a format that has comprehensively failed.
As it was the many draws were as a result of the players trying to do the very best for themselves. The entire point of sport. Maybe a Candidates tournament would be a more entertaining format. But this is to take nothing away from Gelfand, I don’t think anyone played better than him in Kazan and his final round win shows the level of preparation he had in his arsenal. If FIDE can get sponsors for the match I think he will give Anand a good run for his money.
Kevin Spraggett on the Candidates
The great Capablanca (world champion from 1921 to 1927) once proposed changing the rules of chess , including making the board bigger by adding on a couple of rows, arguing that chess was beginning to be worked out a little too much for a board game.
While this is an interesting but controversial idea, I don’t adhere to it nor do I see this as being the underlying reason why there were so many draws in Kazen (or in most top-level tournaments for that matter). I think that any match between 2 high level players should demonstrate the difficulty–if not impossibility– in winning game after game: having more draws than decisive games is only logical. After all, how many tennis matches between great players lasts 5 hours or more?
While it is true that databases and up-to-date information has made competition in chess tournaments a more balanced field, the nature of the struggle in chess has not changed very much. My own perspective is that most of the safe-playing demonstrated by the top players in Kazen is the result of fear of losing ELO rating points (as opposed to losing the game).
Should FIDE allow these top level qualification tournaments/matches NOT to be rated? I think so…I believe that the players would begin to play riskier openings and at the same time no fear losing their international status. Everyone –spectators included–would be satisfied by the result, I think….
More on the opinion of Kevin Spraggett
And the beat goes on battadump battadump!!!!!
A good point about chess living off the images of Fischer and Kasparov. Those guys are well known outside of chess and brought a lot of interest to the sport. I think they brought that interest because they were exciting players who hated draws! If either of those players were in the last candidates tournament, we all know they wouldn’t be drawing every game, but demolishing their opponents with counter attacks! The same thing brings fans and sponsors to all sports, be it exciting racing drivers, footballers etc. Guys that want to win and have the will to go for it. Naka is exciting and has a lot of fans, Carlsen too. Chess needs exciting players. Also computers are making things easier for top players. Some of the public might well think, what’s so great about a GM memorizing computer moves? Good point. In the future maybe Chess 960 will be the best format, it’s a very exciting game to watch because you know that the players are playing for real and not just blasting out memorized moves.
Objectively I have to say that your analysis of the various problems related to chess is the most deep and accurate.
In my opinion I’ve never complained about the too many draws (I consider them a component of the game and so a draw can be very spectacular), but I believe that the fear of being unable to recover a loss because of few games in total may influence the game level.
The low spectacularity provided by chess was born with the game itself (just think about that we still argue if they are a sport or a simple entertaining game) and, even if the chess players fought upside-down and with a second to end the whole game, who do not know the rules or do not know chess at all would never be interested.
So I believe that the chess “spectacularization” might damage them in their “artistic” essence. After all, the enthusiasts want, from their “heroes”, fine strategies, unthinkable combinations and unbelievable technique.
All these things are the true essence of chess (at least i think so) and to do this an adeguate time to reflect and a certaint number of games is needed.
Best regards
Stef
Just play chess,,games…nothing with fide..first to 6 wins….a=Anand won’t complain….but I bet he would if he had a serious challenger. This esposes Fede for what it is….Carlsen was right…but then we all knew that then right??Apparently not.
To Susan:
I think any system will do so long as the players involved are THE BEST in the world. Clearly, this wasn’t the case in Kazan. I can mention at least 3 players participating there who do not really deserve the opportunity to play in such a high-class event. Think about it, we rarely see Radjabov, Kamsky, Mamedyarov or even Gelfand win a top tourney. The problem is not what happened in Kazan, but what transpired during the flawed cycle. Carlsen, arguably the best chess player in the world today, with respect to Anand of course, bailed twice in the previous cycle. He’s young, he’s fresh an full of new ideas. I would prefer his insights on the matter rather than the ones chess fossiles still offer to the chess community nowadays.
is not the same to draw whit black or to draw whit white….
is not the same to win whit white or to win with black.
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win with white=2 point
win with black = 3 points
draw with white=1/2 point
draw with black=1 point
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The old system, with proper matches at a proper time control, was one of the few things that FIDE had done right; the Candidates’ matches, up till Kasparov destroyed the process, always produced lots of brilliant chess and were very exciting, at least to me.
[sarcasm]So of course, that had to go.[/sarcasm]
There seems to be no going back to that system, more’s the pity. I’d suggest playing knock-out matches to six points, and if they aren’t decided at that point, TOSS A COIN. I think players would strive mightily to avoid that happening, while with speed chess playoffs, it seems that both players expect to gain the advantage in that format. Speed chess may be amusing to look at, but it’s a weak, poor way to pick a Challenger.
Season with IMHO to taste.
It seems clear the 3/1/0 scoring goes a long way towards reducing draws and producing chess. Let’s hope that can be used in more and more places..
what do you think if two soccer teams like manchester united and barcelona, agre to make a draw at 10 minutes of starting the game???… because the are tired.. or sick.. or what ever..?????
I’ve seen a fair number of mentions about how much 3-1-0 scoring would change the matches. Sorry, that’s an arithmetical solecism. Do the math, people! It’s not complex! It wouldn’t change matches a bit!
3-1-0 scoring only makes a difference in tournaments.