White to move. How should white proceed? (This is an actual game by Bobby Fischer against Robert Byrne. I just flipped the colors to make it easier for all the bloggers to see.)
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I don’t know if this is the right line, but …
Qh6+ Kg8 (forced)
Re8+ Rxe8
Bxd5 pinning the Q
Q cannot take because of the mate on
g7
Talk about a mental reboot!!!! Qh3 (6) with the rook sack mate…thats making my brain strange…haha..
Hello, I see 1.Qh6+ Kg8 2.Re8+ Rxe8 (..Qxe8 3.Qg7#) 3.Bxd5 pins the queen ..Qxd5 4.Qg7#
1.Qh6 Kg8 2.Re8:
if 2… Re8 then 3.Bd5 adn mate on g7
if 2… Qe8 3.Qg7 mate.
D2-H6+ F8-G8
E1-E8+ D8-E8
G2-D6
Ah, the famous 1963 game from the US Championship. An actual game, but a position that never arose, if I remember correctly. Byrne had resigned a couple of moves before this exact position arose, and Fischer had lamented the resignation and the missed line:
1. Qh6 Kg8 (Qg7 2.Qg7#)
2. Re8
Probably the move Fischer regretted not being able to play over the board. Continuing:
2. …..Re8(Qe8 3.Qg7#;Qf8 3.Qf8#)
3. Bd5 and black loses the queen and the remaining king side pawns most likely, and there might even be a quick mate in here that I am overlooking.
1. Qh6 Kg8
2. Re8 Rxe8
3. Bxd5, winning the queen.
I don’t think I would’ve found it hadn’t I seen it before.
1. Qh6+ Kg8
2. Re8+ Rxe8
3. Bxd5 That’s all.
“This is an actual game by Bobby Fischer against Robert Byrne.”
In which year the game was played?
Best regards
Stef
1. Qh6+ Kg8
2. Re8+, with the idea Bd5:
This was the easy part of that game!
1.Qh6+ Kg8 2.Re8! Re8 (2. … Qe8 3.Qg7#) 3.Bd5+ wins
1.Qh6+ Kg8(forced move)
2.Re8!+ RxR (not QxR, mate in one)
3.BxN!! QxB (no choice, anyway)
4.Qg7++
1.Qh6+ Kg8
2.Re8+ RxR
3.BxN! Q have no choice but to take the Bishop
4.Qg7mate
In the interests of completeness, I am sending this. It’s not immediately clear that after
1. Qh6+ Kg8 2. Re8+ Rxe8 3. Bxd5 Ne5 4. Bxf7+ Kxf7 5. Qf4+ Kg8 the winning move is 6. Qf6. A lot of the other continuations are also non-trivial. So, how much of this did Fischer and R.Byrne see during the game?
1. Qh6+ (1. Bxd5? Rxd5!) 1. .. Kg8 2. Re8+ Rxe8 3. Bxd5 Ne5 (3. .. Re7 4. Qg7#) 4. Bxf7+ Kxf7 (4. .. Kh8 5. Qf8+ Rxf8 6. Bxe5#) (4. .. Nxf7 5. Qg7#) 5. Qf4+ Kg8 (5. .. Ke7
6. Qxe5+ Kd7 (6. .. Kd8 7. Qd6+ Kc8 8. Rc1+ Bc4 9. Rxc4+ Kb7 10. Qc6+ Kb8 (10. .. Ka6 11. Ra4#) 11. Qc7#) (6. .. Kf8 7. Qg7#) (6. .. Kf7
7. Qf6+ Kg8 8. Qg7#) 7. Qd4+ Kc7 (7. .. Ke6 8. Re1+ Kf5 9. Qf4#)
(7. .. Ke7 8. Re1+ Kf7 9. Qg7#) (7. .. Kc6 8. Rc1+ Bc4 9. Rxc4+ Kb5 10.
Qd5+ Ka6 11. Ra4#) (7. .. Kc8 8. Rc1+ Bc4 9. Rxc4+ Kb8 10. Qd6+ Kb7 11.
Qc6+) 8. Rc1+ Bc4 9. Rxc4+ Kb8 10. Qd6+ Kb7 11. Qc6+) (5. .. Ke6 6. Qxe5+)
(5. .. Kg7 6. Bxe5+ Kg8 (6. .. Rxe5 7. Qxe5+) 7. Qf6 Rxe5 8. Qxe5) 6. Qf6
{and there is no good defense to Bxe5} *
1.Qh6+ Kg8
2.Re8+ Rxe8
3.Bxd5 Qxd5
4.Qg7#
#p/s: Bobby Fischer is my idol and I know what he will do when in a situation like this
– MR KO ( Malaysian)
1Qh6+ Kg8
2Re8+ Rxe8
3Bxd5 Now whether Q takes B or not Qg7# is threatened.
(a)3…. Ne5 to block B diagonal
4 Bxf7+ Kxf7
5Qf4+ and N is also gone.
(b) 3…. Re5 with same intention
4Bxf7+ Kxf7
5Qxh7+ Ke6
6Qxg6+ Kd7
7Rd1+ Kc7
8Qd6+ Kb7
9Qd7+ Kb8
10Qxc6 and now if 10… Re8
there are two options
Rd8+ or Be5+ both leading to mate.
The position is so rich white may have many options.
Dear Not so Lucidmarie,
I felt like an insect caught in a web of 16 { I counted} pairs of parenthesis.Will I get bail from this, not “ale” of Yancey. I stopped analysis when white got Q for a R.
Dear prof S.G.Bhat,
Regarding your humorous reference to insects caught in webs:
Not being a grandmaster, I always feel like I’m an insect caught in a web when studying chess. How does one decide which lines of forced (or semi-forced, or likely) play it is worth the time to think about? Having read “Think Like a Grandmaster” (by Kotov) many years ago, I still have trouble deciding which lines it is worthwhile to pursue. OK, part of it is just my insatiable curiosity, and part of it is just my obsession for completeness. I still have the hope that if I’m very thorough, I may eventually develop the judgement to decide which lines are worth pursuing, and which are not.
Perhaps if I keep analyzing these positions, eventually, one day I will be able to “see” this all relatively quickly over-the-board. It hasn’t happened yet, but one day, just maybe……….
Your ever hopeful,
Lucidmarie
I was right, but Byrne had only resigned one move before this position arose.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1008419
There was a note in the annotations from Fischer that claims a short mate in the line starting with Qh6 (Qh3 in the real game), but on looking at it again this morning, I am not seeing it. Lucymarie’s Ne5 seems resistant to a quick mate, even if white’s material advantage is decisive nonetheless.
Dear Lucymarie,
I did not mean what all I wrote but it would have helped if different types of parenthesis () [] {}were used at different levels.e.g. continuation of 5Qf4+ Kg8 at 1st line of analysis came in last line 6Qf6.So it was bit difficult for me to comprehend. Otherwise a well conducted analysis.
dear Lucymarie,
In the meanwhile you had forgotten about analysing 3 Re5 instead of 3Ne5.Otherwise the number of parenthesis would have increased further.
Dear Lucymarie,
One more doubt. After 5Qf4+ Kg8 you play 6Qf6 ,why not 6Bxe5 straight away?
Dear prof.S.G.Bhat,
If 6. Bxe5 straightaway, then Black plays 6. … Rf8.
But after 6. Qf6 Rf8 7. Qxe5
Lucymarie
Yes.Lucymarie is right.I was satisfied with Q for R but she wanted to get more from the position. 6Qf6 is good since N will not run away and to avoid mate after 7Bxe5 black has to give up exchange.