Could this be an incident of ‘poor queen alert’ ?! 1.h4 seems to force black to give a knight. In both 1. .. Qf4 2.g3 Nxe4 3.gf or 1.h4 Nxe4 2.Bxe4 (just not 2.hg? Nxf2 3.Kxf2 e4) Rxf2 (Qg4 3.Bf3) 3.hg black gets two pawns in return but white will win one back and be able to convert the resulting passer with the help of the extra piece, right ?
First, move the white pawn on your extreme right up one step. then you will get to move its neighboring next white pawn on the left one more step(forced). The result will be the capturing of the black queen !! If however,as an extreme defence, black tries to capture one white pawn with its knight attacking white queen, then both queens will be off the board and black will loose the knight thus a peice short in the end game and white will win with rook and bishop against just one black rook.
Now white has a serious problem with all the pawns that black can advance. White still can win given the the advantage of his very mobile bishop and black’s slightly more vulnerable king, but it won’t be easy.
Yancey, where you say “should be an easy win for white”, I agreed initially, but, trying to play it out, I didn’t find a winning line. I ended up in a situation where the black rook was chasing the white king all over the board but unable to pin it down. I let Fritz 13 compute away on it for a couple of hours and it didn’t find one either, though it managed to capture all of black’s remaining pawns. 7. g3 {Easy win for white?} 7… Rd8 8. d6 b5 9. Kxf3 b4 10. Ke2 Rb8 11. Re6 b3 12. Re7+ Kg6 13. Rb7 Rd8 14. d7 b2 15. Rxb2 Rxd7 16. Rb7 Rd5 17. Rxa7 Rxg5 18. Ra8 Re5+ 19. Kd3 Ra5 20. a7 Ra3+ 21. Kd4 Kg7 22. g4 Ra4+ 23. Kc5 Ra3 24. Kb6 Rb3+ 25. Kc6 Ra3 26. g5 Ra2 27. g6 Ra1 After 27 moves, it achieved this position: FEN “R7/P5k1/2K3P1/8/8/8/r7/8 b – – 0 27” and was making no progress since the black rook merely was chasing the white king all over the place, never able to pin it down – the same problem that I found. After 64 moves it ended up in this position: FEN “R7/P5k1/6P1/8/8/8/r2K4/8 w – – 0 65”. Must be a draw. Before long the 50 move rule would kick in.
If you or any of the other followers of this blog find it interesting, see if you can find a winning line from move 7 above. I’m stumped.
I looked at your last comment, and you have my move 7 wrong- 7.gxf3 is the correct move, not g3. Put that into Fritz, and let me know what it says. In any case, I was probably a bit hasty in even claiming my line was easy to win, but I was lazy and not all that willing to take it any further. It looks like white should win, though, with the connected passers on the g and f files, along with the advance passer that ends up on d6 eventually.
Sorry, Yancey, to have made the transcribing mistake. Must be dyslexic. But, you’re right that, with the connected pawns on the g and f files, a win for white is more probable. Fritz, with a little help from me at 10… Rd4, computed the following analysis: 1. h4 Nxe4 2. hxg5 Nxf2 3. Kxf2 e4 4. Rxd6 exf3 5. Rxg6+ Kh7 6. Rxh6+ Kg7 7. gxf3 Rf5 8. Rc6 Rxd5 9. Rc7+ Kg6 10. f4 Rd4 11. Kg3 Rd1 12. Rxa7 Rg1+ 13. Kf3 Rf1+ 14. Ke4 Re1+ 15. Kd5 Rd1+ 16. Kc6 Rc1+ 17. Kb7 Rc4 18. Ra8 Rxf4 19. a7 Ra4 20. Rg8+ Kf7 21. a8=Q Rxa8 22. Rxa8 b5 23. Ra6 Kf8 24. Rb6 Kg7 25. Rxb5 Kg6 26. Kc7 Kh5 27. g6+ Kg4 28. g7 Kf3 29. g8=Q Ke4 30. Qc4+ Kf3 31. Rf5+ Kg3 32. Qe4 Kh3 33. Qf3+ Kh2 34. Rh5+ Kg1 35. Rh1#
Fritz’s preference was to play 10… Rd1 rather than Rd4, which made a win easier for white. Also, I threw in a few what ifs to show why black made a few moves that were less obvious: 10… Rd1 11. Rxa7 Ra1 12. Ra8 Ra5 13. a7 Kg7 14. Ke3 Ra3+ 15. Ke4 Ra6
Could this be an incident of ‘poor queen alert’ ?! 1.h4 seems to force black to give a knight. In both 1. .. Qf4 2.g3 Nxe4 3.gf or 1.h4 Nxe4 2.Bxe4 (just not 2.hg? Nxf2 3.Kxf2 e4) Rxf2 (Qg4 3.Bf3) 3.hg black gets two pawns in return but white will win one back and be able to convert the resulting passer with the help of the extra piece, right ?
1. h4! Qf4
2. g3
and the queen is trapped.
Well, it seems that after 1.h4 Qf4 2.g3 the Black Queen is simply trapped!
Kamalakanta
1. Qf2-c2
–br
h4
1.h4 literally shouts at you:
1. h4 Qf4 (alternatives below)
2. g3 Ne4 (Ng4 3.gf4+-)
3. gf4 Nf2
4. Kf2 should win for white.
At move 1, black could try Ne4 or Ng4, but neither saves the game:
1. h4 Ne4
2. hg5
If white plays Be4, I like white’s edge, but I don’t like the complexity. Continuing:
2. …..Nf2
3. Kf2 e4
4. Rd6 ef3 (hg5 5.Rd7+-)
5. Rg6 Kh7 (Kf7 6.Rf6+-)
6. Rh6 Kg7
7. gf3 should be an easy win for white.
First, move the white pawn on your extreme right up one step. then you will get to move its neighboring next white pawn on the left one more step(forced). The result will be the capturing of the black queen !! If however,as an extreme defence, black tries to capture one white pawn with its knight attacking white queen, then both queens will be off the board and black will loose the knight thus a peice short in the end game and white will win with rook and bishop against just one black rook.
The Black Queen is trapped. 1.h4 Nxe4 or Ng4 2.hxg5 Nxf2 3.Kxf2
There are many variations but in the variation that is the best case scenario for Black, after exchanges Black comes out down a piece.
Maybe h4, and catch the queen.
1. h4 Qf4
2. g3 Nxe4
3. gxf4
(3. Bxe4 Qxf2+ 4. Kh1 Qf1+ 5. Kh2 Rf2+ 6. Bg2 Qxg2#)
3… Nxf2
4. Kxf2 Rxf4
5. Ke3 g5
6. hxg5 hxg5
7. Rxd6
Now white has a serious problem with all the pawns that black can advance. White still can win given the the advantage of his very mobile bishop and black’s slightly more vulnerable king, but it won’t be easy.
Yancey, where you say “should be an easy win for white”, I agreed initially, but, trying to play it out, I didn’t find a winning line. I ended up in a situation where the black rook was chasing the white king all over the board but unable to pin it down. I let Fritz 13 compute away on it for a couple of hours and it didn’t find one either, though it managed to capture all of black’s remaining pawns.
7. g3 {Easy win for white?}
7… Rd8
8. d6 b5
9. Kxf3 b4
10. Ke2 Rb8
11. Re6 b3
12. Re7+ Kg6
13. Rb7 Rd8
14. d7 b2
15. Rxb2 Rxd7
16. Rb7 Rd5
17. Rxa7 Rxg5
18. Ra8 Re5+
19. Kd3 Ra5
20. a7 Ra3+
21. Kd4 Kg7
22. g4 Ra4+
23. Kc5 Ra3
24. Kb6 Rb3+
25. Kc6 Ra3
26. g5 Ra2
27. g6 Ra1
After 27 moves, it achieved this position: FEN “R7/P5k1/2K3P1/8/8/8/r7/8 b – – 0 27” and was making no progress since the black rook merely was chasing the white king all over the place, never able to pin it down – the same problem that I found. After 64 moves it ended up in this position:
FEN “R7/P5k1/6P1/8/8/8/r2K4/8 w – – 0 65”. Must be a draw. Before long the 50 move rule would kick in.
If you or any of the other followers of this blog find it interesting, see if you can find a winning line from move 7 above. I’m stumped.
Craig,
I looked at your last comment, and you have my move 7 wrong- 7.gxf3 is the correct move, not g3. Put that into Fritz, and let me know what it says. In any case, I was probably a bit hasty in even claiming my line was easy to win, but I was lazy and not all that willing to take it any further. It looks like white should win, though, with the connected passers on the g and f files, along with the advance passer that ends up on d6 eventually.
Sorry, Yancey, to have made the transcribing mistake. Must be dyslexic. But, you’re right that, with the connected pawns on the g and f files, a win for white is more probable. Fritz, with a little help from me at 10… Rd4, computed the following analysis:
1. h4 Nxe4
2. hxg5 Nxf2
3. Kxf2 e4
4. Rxd6 exf3
5. Rxg6+ Kh7
6. Rxh6+ Kg7
7. gxf3 Rf5
8. Rc6 Rxd5
9. Rc7+ Kg6
10. f4 Rd4
11. Kg3 Rd1
12. Rxa7 Rg1+
13. Kf3 Rf1+
14. Ke4 Re1+
15. Kd5 Rd1+
16. Kc6 Rc1+
17. Kb7 Rc4
18. Ra8 Rxf4
19. a7 Ra4
20. Rg8+ Kf7
21. a8=Q Rxa8
22. Rxa8 b5
23. Ra6 Kf8
24. Rb6 Kg7
25. Rxb5 Kg6
26. Kc7 Kh5
27. g6+ Kg4
28. g7 Kf3
29. g8=Q Ke4
30. Qc4+ Kf3
31. Rf5+ Kg3
32. Qe4 Kh3
33. Qf3+ Kh2
34. Rh5+ Kg1
35. Rh1#
Fritz’s preference was to play 10… Rd1 rather than Rd4, which made a win easier for white. Also, I threw in a few what ifs to show why black made a few moves that were less obvious:
10… Rd1
11. Rxa7 Ra1
12. Ra8 Ra5
13. a7 Kg7
14. Ke3 Ra3+
15. Ke4 Ra6
(15… Kg6 16. Rg8+ Kh5 17. a8=Q Rxa8 18. Rxa8 Kg4 19. g6 Kg3 20. g7 Kf2 21. Ra2+ Ke1 22. g8=Q Kf1 23. Qg2+ Ke1 24. Qe2#)
16. f5 Ra4+
17. Ke5 Ra5+
18. Ke6 Ra4
19. f6+ Kh7
20. f7 Ra1
(20… Rf4 21. Rh8+ Kg6 (21… Kxh8 22. a8=Q+ Kg7 23. Qg8#) 22. a8=Q Rf6+ 23. gxf6 Kg5 24. f8=Q Kg4 25. Qg2+ Kf4 26. Qh6#)
21. f8=Q Re1+
22. Kd5 Rd1+
23. Kc6 Rc1+
24. Kb7 Kg6
25. Qf6+ Kh5
26. Qf3+ Kxg5
27. Rg8+ Kh4
28. Qg4#