Bulgarian Chess Federation in support of Veselin Topalov
Apr 4, 10:53 AM
Open letter
To: Mr. Kirsan Ilymzhinov, President of FIDE
Date: 03.04.2007
Dear Mr. Ilymzhinov,
We are unpleasantly surprised at the constant modifications in the positions and the resolutions of the Board of FIDE. This fact damages the prestige of the International Chess Federation and chess in general. Who in fact takes those decisions and who changes them?
The candidate matches, which will be played in Elista starting May 25, should have taken place ten days later according to your previous decision. However, that did not happen. The actual date, immediately after the end of one of the most prestigious tournaments of the year – M-tel Masters, affects to certain extent the participants. What was the problem the candidate matches to be played 10 days later? You very well know how difficult it is to find sponsors and that it is not easy to preserve the traditions of strong tournaments.
According to the information published on the official FIDE web page, the rank list from April 01, 2007 should include tournaments completed by February 28. Why is that not observed? Why and who changes the rules? Until when FIDE will give way to pressure and will not keep its principles? Is it normal for a world organization, that cares about its name and authority, to publish a rank list and change it two days later because somebody protested?
In the beginning of January 2007 we sent you our position with reference to the modifications you were preparing in the competition cycle for the world title. Have you discussed it or not during the meeting in Antalia? If yes, what was the decision and why we were not informed about it?
Why did you not accept the bank guarantees of 2 Million Dollars for organizing and carrying out the match between V. Topalov and V. Kramnik? The argument that the term is not kept is not convincing. How is it that in one case the time limit should be strictly followed and in others it is not observed at all? Don’t you think that all decisions that FIDE takes lately are to the prejudice of V. Topalov?
Mr. Ilymzhinov, the Bulgarian Chess Federation and Veselin Topalov himself have been very well disposed towards you. The fact that Mr. Topalov had agreed to play a match with V. Kramnik in Elista, predetermined to a great extent your electoral victory on the last congress in Torino.
I turn to you with the kind request to stop your rough and ill disposed behavior towards Veselin Topalov and do all possible that he takes part in the competition for the world title. It is not logical the winner from the last championship in San Luis and the constant leader in the rank list should not play in Mexico, while at the same time the second, third, and fourth will play without qualifications. We hope that this injustice will be amended in the interest of the chess game, moreover that the organizers of Mexico 2007 have repeatedly expressed their desire that V. Topalov takes part in the world championship.
Best regards,
Stefan Sergiev,
President of the Bulgarian Chess Federation
Source: Topalov Fan Site
FIDE should be dismissed!!!!!!!
FIDE should think on this!
A lot of truths are said in there…
“Rumen said…
FIDE should think on this!
A lot of truths are said in there…”
Can you name one? This is pretty much all opinion.
opinion?
these are facts, not opinion!
Kind of hypocritical of the Bulgarians to protest the inclusion of Linares after they supported the exact same thing for the last 5 years. Can’t anyone support Topalov without discrediting themselves?
yawn.
Everybody can have an opinion…
Why should I bother analyzing and explaining everything to you”anonymous” … I am tired of all this hatred against Topalov that I read here …
Bye
Is that a pro-Topalov yawn or an anti-Topalov yawn? It’s pretty ignorant either way, just curious.
“Rumen said…
opinion?
these are facts, not opinion! “
But you still can’t name one. Too funny.
“Rumen said…
Everybody can have an opinion…”
And everyone can falsely claim that their opinions are facts, but they look ridiculous when they get caught doing it, as you’ve just found out.
“Why should I bother analyzing and explaining everything to you”anonymous” …”
The only reason would be that you believed in your viewpoint and wanted people to agree with it. Obviously one of those two things is not the case with you. My guess is you don’t believe in your position.
“I am tired of all this hatred against Topalov that I read here …
Bye “
LOL. Criticism of you is hatred of Topalov. Hello?? Topalov isn’t the one who tried to BS here, you did. Your support of him is rather lame and half-hearted. As his fan, you should be ashamed of your apathy. Goodbye.
ohhhh stop it…bal bla bla..
who cares….
The true number one, is Rybka … if Anand and Topalov are not agree a match can be organized.
🙂
Just a few examples:
Fact 1: The candidate matches, which will be played in Elista starting May 25, should have taken place ten days later according to your previous decision. However, that did not happen…
Fact 2: In the beginning of January 2007 we sent you our position with reference to the modifications you were preparing in the competition cycle for the world title…
Fact 3: How is it that in one case the time limit should be strictly followed and in others it is not observed at all?
Fact 4: …the organizers of Mexico 2007 have repeatedly expressed their desire that V. Topalov takes part in the world championship.
That is the kind of response that I needed when I asked for facts. It was not that difficult was it? Thank you for your response.
Topa big crybaby
Topalov was ripped off by FIDE in Elista who disregarded the cables !!!
Then two million dollar rematch scandal!
Then being accused of hand signals!
Then be down graded in the FIDE chess rankings and losing his number one spot!
The getting the M-tel Masters Tournament destroyed by FIDE on a whim!
FIDE is anti-Topalov and anti Bulgarian – is obvious!!!
the facts:
1. FIDE introduces a rule saying that any top player can challenge the champion provided the $$$$. I a cople of months, the rule is gone.
2. Ilyumzhinov announce the new (1h!) time control. In a few days he meets Tregubov. The new control is gone.
there are too namy examples of “well thought” decisions by Ilyumzhinov 8-(
>>FIDE is anti-Topalov and anti Bulgarian – is obvious!!!
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LOL. Yeah, that’s why they gave him a free point in the championship, and refused to enforce the Ethics Rules against him.
FIDE made Topalov finish last at Llinares. Too funny.
Topalov finished last at Linares because of everything unfair that FIDE had previously done to him! No human being could play with all of the smearing and twisting of the FIDE !
and please stop ridiculos “cable cries”. So you have a cable (with no jack, mind you). How do you get anything from that cable, could you tell us? It requires a device much more complicated than any bluetooth etc.
the *fact* is, Topalov was credited with an extra win (in a black game) by “anibulgarian” FIDE official Azmai. This did not help Topalov to win the match.
Excuse me ! There was cable in the restroom that any two year old knows the purpose ! Your way – if they catch him with computer but don’t find the cable he is innocent too! Well that is illogical. Next if they find a cable and computer Kramnik will say I was doing his email or maybe just looking at Fritz but not using the moves!
Ha! Ha! Ha!
All know the use of the cable! Time to wake from your dream and find the facts to be true against Topalov!
I bet a $1000 that Chess Base will not report about this protest letter …
“Anonymous said…
I bet a $1000 that Chess Base will not report about this protest letter … “
LOL. So if you lose, I’ll just look for Mr. Anonymous to collect my money from.
Face facts, man. You not only won’t bet $1000, you won’t even bet your reputation. You don’t stand behind this opinion in any way whatsoever.
What is there about this article that Chessbase should be afraid of? Even if they didn’t like Topalov (for which there’s no evidence, that’s just Topalov’s excuse for the fact that the world disapproved of his behavior), there’s nothing in this press release for even a Topalov hater to fear. It’s all opinion, and weak opinion at that.
“Topalov finished last at Linares because of everything unfair that FIDE had previously done to him! No human being could play with all of the smearing and twisting of the FIDE ! “
Fine, then if we both admit that it’s wrong to make public accusations like that, then we both admit that Topalov is wrong.
But you’re wrong in saying no human being could handle it. Kramnik took the whole thing and still won. What you’re saying is that Topalov personally is not as strong as other GM’s are. He can’t take his own guff without falling apart. But maybe, that’s different. Maybe unlike Kramnik, he has a guilty conscience?
Yes, I know the purpose for the cables: to maintain network in the building. Could stop your hysterical cries and answer my question: how would you use a cables with no jack?
PS I dont care what happens “next time”
“But you’re wrong in saying no human being could handle it. Kramnik took the whole thing and still won. What you’re saying is that Topalov personally is not as strong as other GM’s are. He can’t take his own guff without falling apart. But maybe, that’s different. Maybe unlike Kramnik, he has a guilty conscience?”
Twisting and turning anyway around to justify what one wants to be the “truth”. The fact is that Kramnik won in Elista strongly backed by FIDE and the RUSSIAN GOVERMENT APPARATUS. The thief cries, “Catch the thief.” Simple tactics.
As for Topalov he should stop complaining and start playing more consistently. That is the only way to shut the mouths of all these KGB instigated campaigns.
gukqf>>Excuse me ! There was cable in the restroom that any two year old knows the purpose !
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Yeah, so Topalov could cheat. You realize, I take it, that he was using that same bathroom in half the games. Congratulations, ace.
Since you just proved Topalov was a cheat, let me defend him a bit. I’ve used Fritz myself. You need a computer to operate it (no computer was found on Topalov’s person), but you don’t need a NIC cable. And even if you did, Topalov could never have reached the cable in his bathroom ceiling without a ladder to help him reach it. No ladder was found on his person either.
“Your way – if they catch him with computer but don’t find the cable he is innocent too! Well that is illogical.”
Nobody said that except you. To the contrary, a computer on one’s person IS proof. This should be common sense. But considering you just “proved” Topalov was cheating without meaning to, it’s not surprising that you’d get this wrong too. If you want to defend Topalov, then just get out of his way. With friends like you he doesn’t need enemies.
Runen said:
Fact 4: …the organizers of Mexico 2007 have repeatedly expressed their desire that V. Topalov takes part in the world championship
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I think you misunderstood the question. While it’s a fact that Bulgarians, Mexicans and others have expressed opinions, that doesn’t make the content of their opinions factual. They remain opinions.
Objectively speaking… I believe Bulgarian Chess Federations was wrong to complain about Linares/Moreila Inclusion in the April rating list… while everything else is 100% correct.
But since I have come to see there are several Anti-Topalov critics out there who spend most of there time thinking in a Non-Objective way and try to come across as being smart criticizing Pro-Topalov fans complaints… what is the point;
These Anti-Topalov critics read Pro-Topalov complaints with disdain and come up with something they think is intelligent (If they only knew how they come across).
King.
**The thief cries, “Catch the thief.” Simple tactics.**
LOL. crying “catch the thief” is exactly what Topalov did. Never ever we heard that from Kramnik.
Yes, for all the rehashing of the specious arguments surrounding Elista, nobody’s answered the $64,000 question: What valid points does the Bulgarian Federation make in THIS protest (if any)?
Forget about the past, are they making any sense right now? I sure don’t see much. They’re mad that the rules were followed in denying Topalov an instant rematch. They have no case there.
They’re mad that the rules WEREN’T followed in rating Linares. They might have a point there, if they hadn’t approved of the breaking of that same rule themselves every year for the last 5 years. So again, they have no case.
They’re mad that Topalov has been eliminated from Mexico City in accordance with an agreement they signed themselves. Obviously they have no case there. If the agreement was unfair, they shouldn’t have signed it.
They imply (without saying it in so many words) that they only signed the agreement in order to help Kirsan win the election. If so, shame on them, but they still don’t have a case either way.
Hi,
constant changing the rules during the cycle of WCC by Fide shows that at the moment it is not serious organization… so why they have the right to organize WCC ?
It is one man driven organization who is influenced from exterior.
It is dangerous for players and for chess.
Regards
Pony.
Hi,
constant changing the rules during the cycle of WCC by Fide shows that at the moment it is not serious organization…
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Of course. That’s part of the reason (though not the only reason) why people always took the Classical Title more seriously than the FIDE one.
If Topalov was rightfully declared champion many things here would have been prevented:
a] Kramnik’s wires would make it hard to play in the future because of suspicion.
b] Topalov could have been practicing instead of writing a book or writing a book about being world champion.
c] No 2 million dollars would have been raised – there would be no need.
d] He probably would have won Chorus and Linares because he could concentrate on his chess.
e] He would not need an invitation to Mexico because he is the World Champion.
f] Anand would not be the world’s number one ranked player as Topalov would have won the tournaments.
g] The M-tel Masters would never be disrespected like it is by FIDE.
All of the present situation is caused by FIDE as well as the destruction of the career of Topalov!
Due to the very same reason that Linares was included in 2005, Topalov become No:1 in April 2005. No protest then, since it went their way and now they protest. I have no comments on the other protests, but this one is definitely silly and kiddish. Anyway, Anand will be no:1 in next listing also. I cant see Topalov increase his rating by 14 points in M-Tel. And if he does, according to his own protest, it should not be included in July.
Silly and Kiddish?
Let them stick with the original rating list and see if the Indian federation finds it silly and kiddish !
Is there no end to the whinning of Topalov and the Bulgarians??? Want to promote Chess, muzzle Topalov, Danailov and the BCF.
Point is FIDE was strict about the rematch being a certain months before the WC in Mexico… yet they dont mind the ratings being submitted later than their closing date.
This is inconsistent with rules in the FIDE rulebook.
>>Point is FIDE was strict about the rematch being a certain months before the WC in Mexico… yet they dont mind the ratings being submitted later than their closing date.>>
That point has been answered numerous times, and nobody has offered any objections to the answer. I assume that means you agree with it. But if you agree, then why are you trying to bring it up again as something new?
Cables;
May I remind once again that the restrooms were alternated after each game, and said cables had been in Topalov’s toilet as often as Kramnik’s.
paris said:
May I remind once again that the restrooms were alternated after each game, and said cables had been in Topalov’s toilet as often as Kramnik’s.
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You can remind them but that doesn’t mean they’ll acknowledge it. The defenses of Topalov have been fundamentally dishonest in nature, and are all based on flatly ignoring some difficult point or other. It just proves that even his friends know he’s in the wrong and that extraordinary measures are needed to support him.
I dont understand how topalov didn’t qualify as one of the top 16 players for the candiates matches in mexico. he also didn’t qualify for the wcc top 8 players. therefor he has no way of getting a title shot. somethings wrong with this. he should definatly at the very least qualify for the candiates matches in mexico. in fact i think he should qualify for the wcc and make someone like svidler or morezvich play in the mexico matches. I have to agree that losing to kramnik should not prevent you from getting a chance to have another title opportunity. he’s consistantly one of the top players in the world. I’m not sure what is going on with this and why they made this decision to prevent topalov from competing.
Harish Srinivasan said…
Due to the very same reason that Linares was included in 2005, Topalov become No:1 in April 2005. No protest then, since it went their way and now they protest.
Tell me more, sir. You interest me. I was wondering about this, but frankly don’t remember what the numbers were at the time. Last year’s April List was the first one that Kasparov wasn’t on, I believe. Are you saying what I think you’re saying; that Anand would have become #1 last April, rather than Topalov, if Linares had not been rated after the deadline? I just want to be sure I understand this right.
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Are you saying what I think you’re saying; that Anand would have become #1 last April, rather than Topalov, if Linares had not been rated after the deadline?
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It’s a nice thought, but I don’t think that’s correct.
Here’s a link to the April Rating List:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3016
You’re right, it is the first Kasparovless list, and shows Topalov at 2804, Anand at 2803.
Now, here’s a link to the final round report on Linares 2006:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2974
As you can see, it shows Topalov with a Performance Rating of -29, meaning that he probably lost a rating point or two at last year’s Linares. He certainly didn’t gain.
The point still remains, of course, that Linares has been rated after the deadline all these years with the complete approval of the Bulgarian Chess Federation. But I don’t think it’s true that that policy is responsible for Topalov’s #1 spot last April. I think he’d have had that either way.
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wolverine2121 said…
I dont understand how topalov didn’t qualify as one of the top 16 players for the candiates matches in mexico.
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The way it happened was due to the title split.
As you know, there was a split title for 13 years, a Classical World Champion Title, descended from Steinitz, and a FIDE Championship title that, essentially began with Khalifman in 1999.
Rather than just play a match and re-unite the titles, they created this thing called the 2700 Rule that allowed anyone with a 2700 rating to challenge the FIDE champion. Nominally, the reunification match was held under this rule, I suppose to satisfy those one or two people who thought that the FIDE title was the only one and wondered why someone would get a title match outside of the normal procedure.
It shouldn’t have been necessary. After all, there were no objections to having the Kasparov-Kasimdzhanov match played without such a rule.
In any case, one of the provisos of this rule was in that in the event of such a match, the two parties would switch places in the Candidates Cycle. As the Classical Champion, Kramnik had NO place in the FIDE Cycle before the match. So when Topalov took over his place, he took over nothing.
It’s not a fair arrangement. Topalov should never have agreed to this. I don’t know why he did. Overconfidence, possibly. The Bulgarian Protest also hints at the notion that he did it in order to help Kirsan win the election, which would not be worth bragging about.
In any case, he should not have agreed to this. Play the Reunification Match, yes. Switch places in the cycle afterwards, no.
Various ideas have been suggested to remedy this. The simplest and easiest has been to have Topalov replace Kramnik at Mexico and have the winner of Mexico play a match with Kramnik for the title.
The main objection to this has been that the Mexico organizers contracted for a World Championship tournament, not a Candidates tournament, but that could be easily gotten around. In fact, all they contracted for was a tournament for the FIDE tournament title, not for the Classical Match Title (which FIDE didn’t control at the time the contracts were signed).
The problem could be solved by re-splitting the titles temporarily, Kramnik retains the Classical Title, but relinquishes the FIDE tournament title, a new FIDE tournament Champion is crowned at Mexico, and goes on to play Kramnik in a second Unification match.
This would solve all the problems but apparently the Mexican organizers aren’t interested. They’d rather have a tournament for the Unified Title without Topalov, than have a tournament for the FIDE title with Topalov. If that’s their choice, so be it, but they can hardly complain about it. And haven’t, as far as I’ve seen.
Yes, I think Harish Srinivasan is confusing Topalov’s victory at Linares 2005 (not 2006) with the April 2006 rating list.
Indeed, I think Topalov said somewhere that he was risking a certain No. 1 position by playing at Linares 2006.
After the inclusion of Linares 2005 in the April 2005 list, Topalov was still 7 points behind Anand, at 2778 to 2785, with Kasparov on the list at this stage, top with 2812.
Yes, Topalov might be pushed behind a bit….but what did you expect after the behaviour of the Bulgarian team in Elista?!
He also said he will never go to Elista again in the future. So why bother?
To all Topalov’s “fans”.
I really don’t understand you. All you are saying is: FIDE has destroyed our champion.
DESTROYED??? He descended from #1 position to #2 in the rating, that’s all! This means he is still second best in the world.
You are the same people that said Kramnik’s career finished when he confessed he was ill yust one year ago. Well, as everybody knows, he returned, made best individual result at the olympiad, won Dortmund, beat Topalov and won Amber.
Are you forgetting that Topalov won Corus yust three months ago? If I were a fan of Topalov, I’ll say: he can return to the top. He’ll win M-Tel Masters, he’ll win the World Cup in December and he’ll beat Kramnik, or Anand or everybody else in the 2009 match. I have faith in him!
But you have no FAITH in your hero, that’s all. Topalov doesn’t need fans like you.
Michael
Michael they don’t believe their “hero” because they all knows he is a cheater!
And this so called bulgarian protest to FIDE is funny and silly trial. FIDE gave enough reasons why they did not accept the re-match offer that bulgarian presedent must be sleeping!
He wrote those silly argument under the heavy dana-topa effect who are the cheaters!!!!!!!!!
and look at the blog how they (bulgarians) attacked FIDE here! may be these all messages belong to a few topa fans! FIDE long live and destroy topa and all cheaters like him. the great champion Vladimir Kramnik long live. You are the king of chess castle!
why bulgarian federation speaking about why anand is #1 this is funny? as always happened Linares had to be in count, and FIDE fortunately returned from their mistake. why topalov and his supporters questioning this? really “childish hope” to see topalov for a few more months funny!
He descended from #1 position to #2 in the rating, that’s all! This means he is still second best in the world.
Well, third. Kramnik has the same rating, plus the world title. But still, your point is taken. I think this is a symptom of the internet age. People have very short attention spans now. A few months ago, it was Anand who was supposed to be washed up after he had a bad result at the Olympiad.
And before that, it was Kramnik for whom it was all over. Attention spans are so short that people don’t just draw broad conclusions after a bad tournament, they draw them after a bad part of a tournament. It was supposed to be all over for Topalov last year after a bad first half at Linares.
It’s a combination of short attention spans, and an ultra-Slavish reliance on the rating system. It’s convenient to regard it as an absolute measure of chess strength, so people do so. Even though it isn’t. It’s a good general measure of overall recent performance, but of very little use in predicting how two players will fare head to head. And there are swings.
Topalov is as guilty of this as anyone. The guy he thought was too weak to play a title match with now has the same rating he does. That’s the way it works. Ratings do go up and down even when overall strength stays about the same.
You’re right, anyone who’s given up on Topalov just because he’s had a bad tournament or two is no fan of his at all.
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I agree topalov should replace kramnik because kramniks only incentive to win wcct is to able to play topalov again in 2008 for the world championship. since kramnik hates topalov he obviously will lose the wcct so he can play someone else besides topalov in 2008 for the world championship. this is cleary unfair considering the animosity between topalov and kramnik over the 2006 world championship. so now topalov has to win the world cup 2007 to have at the earliest a shot at the world championship in 2009. if topalov agreed to switch positons with kramnik he cut his own throat and he has to be angry with himself or whoever convinced him to do such a ridicluous thing. nevertheless kramnik should be replaced by topalov for the wcct.another thing that should be done is the unification of the classical world champion and fide world champion to clear things up.
replacing Topalov instead of Kramnik???? Ahaa the most most funniest idea of all times. For what reason Kramnik will accept such a silly thing? To give a chance to his looser Topalov? Topalov is in humanside not a “good human” he always think he is the best and seeing others stupids but we saw who is the champion, who is the stupid! Some months ago he was seeing Kramnik is worse then him and saying first he must exceed 2800 ahahah funny child you are! Kramnik was over 2800 when youı were at 2700s!!!
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i usually wouldnt address someone that has the intelligence of tree fungus or microbial bacteria but let me respond to your comment. ill try to simplify things so you can actually digest it. kramnik has already qualified for the world championship in 2008. if he wins the wcct he then plays himself in 2008. the only problem with that is it cant happen. therefor he would play the previous fide champion topalov if he wins the wcct. this is conflict of interest considering the animosity between topalov and kramnik. kramnik would purposly lose to have someone else qualify for the 2008 world championship match. topalov doesnt qualify automatically for the world champion match in 2008 thefor he should replace kramnik or have a shot to qualify for the wcct at the very least. the wcct should be to qualify someone to challenge kramnik for the 2008 championship match.
“i usually wouldnt address someone that has the intelligence of tree fungus or microbial bacteria but let me respond to your comment. “
volwerine you are an evil man like topalov. LET ME SIMPLIFY THAT YOUR STUPID BRAIN (MAY BE ) CAN UNDERSTAND THIS TIME!!
Topalov and his manager did SIGNED AN AGREEMENT THAT IF TOPALOV LOOSES THE MATCH KRAMNIK WILL PLACE IN MEXICO INSTEAD OF TOPALOV.
And now they are trying to mock people and saying that Topalov must be there in mexico! That is simply silly and evil behaviour showing that they are devil like men!
If you support their that evil act so you are another evil stupid volweline or whatever stupid name you have …. !!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder how such silly men (i mean volwerine) are interested in chess this is really funny.
Let you understand (but I think you and men like you hopeless ib that case because you need A BRAIN!) what is the case:
TOPALOV AND DANAILOV ARE UNETHICALLY BREAKING THEIR OWN COVENANT BEFORE THE ELISTA WCC MATCH SIGNED WITH KRAMNIK!
They are like kids crying after loosing a game and trying to gain something with unethic ways.
But neither Kramnik nor his manager behaved like a child, they both behaved like gentelmen and they PROVED THAT KRAMNIK CAN CARRY TITLE WITH HIGHEST HONOR WHICH THAT TOPALOV AND DANAILOV NEVER CAN DO!
By the way friend what is Kramnik 24- Topalov 12?
The Danailov/Topalov/Sergiev clique
is so sordid that they actually would like to remove Anand, Svidler or Morozevich and replace one of these guys with Topalov !
They’re not even begging for a place in the candidates matches, they’re demanding a direct qualification.
Why did they accept (beforehand) that the loser of the reunification match would not participate in the next WC ?
Answer : HUBRIS !!
If you read interviews on the internet with Topalov between San Luis and Elista, you clearly see a
guy who thought he was unbeatable,
who considered himself the King of the Game.
After Elista, he admitted he hadn’t even taken into account the possiblity of a tie-break, didn’t prepare for it,…
Lying, intriguing, spreading false accusations, making ridiculous demands, anything goes for these
incredibly unlikable people, all of
which results in the gradual but steady isolation of Topalov in the chess world.
Steven
I liked your comment Steven it’s nice to see chess world has wise men like you 🙂
You summarized what topalov’s feelings about himself, he is still thinking he is the best and trying to proove this with some more ugly attaks to all others in the chess area.
By the way Kramnik 24 Topalov 12 (officially 13 but that 1 is stolen game of elista I never count it as a real win!) is overall result between them. Kramnik doubled Topalov ahaha 🙂
Wolverine 2121,
You seem to overestimate your own intelligence.
How do you know Kramnik hates Topalov ?
He probably doesn’t like him, but can you blame him after all the filthy attacks ?!
Kramnik stated in an interview that he has nothing against Topalov, he even said (after Elista !) that considering his chess abilities,
Topalov should have the opportunity
to play in Mexico (he meant this
theoretically of course, practically it is impossible to arrange this).
Unlike Topalov and his clique, Kramnik behaved always as a gentleman.
I’m afraid you’re projecting typical Topalov behaviour (hatred, jealousy, intriguing and dishonesty) on Kramnik.
Your opinion that Kramnik would lose on purpose such an important tournament, is laughable !
What are you implying, that Kramnik
is afraid of Topalov ?!
Remember 24-12 ?!
The fact that Kramnik doesn’t like Topalov, is no reason to run away from him, on the contrary, he may like to take revenge for all those accusations in a sportive way.
Wolverine, you may be or not be an ardent Topalov fan, but you certainly make the same mistake :
underestimating your opponent.
Kramnik24-Topalov12 ‘s arguments make much more sense than yours .
Steven.
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ive come to realize that most of the people on here have no logic and therfor using a logical argument is pointless. what really amazes me though is how something so clear and simple like my statement about how the wcct should be to qualify a person for the world championship match somehow still gets mangled and not understood. how can you take what i say which is very clear and mangle it with the comment are you saying kramnik would be scared. did i say he would be scared??? how can you make something up that i didnt say???????? i said he would throw the wcct matchs due to animosity from the 2006 world championship match. he has no incentive to win other than to qualify topalov for the world championship match in 2008. by the way im not a big fan of either player. my favortie players would be anand, grischuk and fischer.i like players that play with creativity, precision and strong strategicaly. fischer by far being my favorite player of all time. so i have no bias to either player
>>he has no incentive to win other than to qualify topalov for the world championship match in 2008.>>
He has some incentive: The chessplayer’s ego. He doesn’t want to lose the title even temporarily.
Frankly, it would be a lot simpler if he did win Mexico. A lot of people out there simply will not recognize any change of the Classical championship in a tournament (I’m undecided on that; it’s never happened before, but there’s not a clear-cut rule against it). If someone else wins Mexico and then loses a match to Kramnik, there are going to be plenty of people saying that that someone else was never world champion at all.
On the other hand, it would be pretty bad luck for Anand, to finish, say, a half point behind Kramnik, and not get a title shot, even if he were still rated 20 or so points higher than Topalov.
I wonder what would happen if Kramnik and Anand tied for first? Would Anand get the shot automatically, or would they do some kind of tiebreak?
>>I bet a $1000 that Chess Base will not report about this protest letter … >>
You owe me $1000.
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3778
I’d like my money, please.
Topalov, how about just forget about Elista 2005 and Kramnik.
You can’t change anything.
Let focus and play the champion of 2007 in year 2008.
I am pretty sure FIDE should allow you to match the champion of 2007.
>>I am pretty sure FIDE should allow you to match the champion of 2007. >>
They’ll only do that if Kramnik wins Mexico. And even then he’d have to play a guy that he has a huge lifetime losing score against, with a world that’s grown tired of his excuses. No, things really don’t look good for Topalov.