Here is an open letter by USCF President Bill Goichberg:
U. S. Chess Federation
http://www.uschess.org/
Bill Goichberg, President
PO BOX 3967
CROSSVILLE, TN 38557-3967
Phone: (931) 787 – 1234
Fax: (931) 787 – 1200
November 7, 2008
Open letter to FIDE Office and FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov
The U.S. Chess Federation is astonished to hear the latest position of FIDE regarding the Kamsky vs. Topalov match.
On June 1, 2008, FIDE announced that this match would take place in Lvov, Ukraine, beginning November 28, with a prize fund of $750,000. Following is the FIDE press release of that date, as posted on the FIDE website:
President guarantees Topalov–Kamsky match
President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov has announced that the World Championship Challenger Match between Veselin Topalov (Bulgaria) and Gata Kamsky (USA) will take place in Lvov, Ukraine in November 2008.
The organiser offered a prize fund of 750,000 USD and to hold the match on the “neutral” territory of Ukraine, as the players wanted to avoid Bulgaria or the USA. President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov guarantees the organiser’s offer by backing the event from his personal finances.
FIDE Presidential Board acknowledged the offer as well as the guarantee and assigned Deputy President Georgios Makropoulos to conclude the final contracts and to check the availability of the finances. The Match will be held in dates between November 26th and December 14th 2008.
Now we are being told that the “guarantee” that FIDE announced can be withdrawn because the organizer of the Lvov match has failed to make the necessary payment to FIDE? But this guarantee had significance only under precisely these circumstances!
If the organizer had made this payment, then for the FIDE President to “back the event from his personal finances” would not be necessary. Since the organizer has failed to make the payment, “backing the event from his personal finances” is now needed- and FIDE’s position appears to be that it was happy to promise backing with words only, but that backing with actual money was not what FIDE had in mind. Incredible!
Retail products are often sold with guarantees. Imagine if your product does not work, and you return it for repair or refund, and the seller says “Sorry, we have decided that the guarantee we offered is only valid if the product is working perfectly.” That is exactly what FIDE is trying to do to the players in this match.
The chess world and the media will not be so easily fooled. It is apparent that FIDE made a public commitment, and now is seeking to back out for no valid reason. A “guarantee” is not subject to being revoked at the whim of the guarantor. Please reconsider this very unwise and inappropriate action.
Sincerely Yours,
Bill Goichberg
President, US Chess Federation
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Below is my letter in response to the open statement by USCF President Bill Goichberg:
November 7, 2008
Bill,
Please kindly verify that this is only your personal opinion or the opinion of various individuals. As a board member of the US Chess Federation, I did not authorize this letter nor have I seen this open letter before it was published. You definitely do not have my permission to speak on my behalf. This is the first time I am seeing it.
This is a very serious matter as it will clearly affect the professional careers of two great players: Gata Kamsky and Veselin Topalov. I would like to see these two world-class players settle their differences on the chess board and not through war of words. I encourage all parties to engage in diplomatic and respectful negotiation sessions to come up with a sensible solution instead of adding more fuel to the fire with this type of open letters.
Our chess community has suffered enough already. If you would like to be personally involved in this negotiation, you are more than welcome to come to Dresden next week and speak to the FIDE officials. But let’s not go down this destructive path with no possible amicable ending.
Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
USCF Minority Board Member
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Here is the immediate response from Mr. Goichberg:
Susan, I am speaking for the USCF, which means the majority of the Executive Board. I have not claimed that every member of the Executive Board agrees with my statement.
Bill Goichberg
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In a message dated 11/7/2008 1:48:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, randybauer writes:
The USCF Executive Board, meeting in Nashville Tennessee last weekend voted to authorize President Bill Goichberg to write such a letter. Perhaps the fact that Ms. Polgar chose not to attend the meeting in person but call into it caused her to miss this point.
Randy Bauer
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Mr. Bauer,
The professional career of Grandmaster Gata Kamsky is on the line. Your personal rhetoric is not helpful for anyone.
We all want this match to happen. We are all on board to have President Goichberg issue a professional statement. He did on November 4.
We certainly did not authorize or consent for USCF President Goichberg to issue this letter or to engage in a public war of words. However, he is free to do it on his behalf or yours, not ours. He has clarified this issue.
I fully agree with Susan and I join her in urging all parties to engage in diplomatic, professional, and respectful negotiation to come up with a sensible solution. I have the utmost respect for the talent of GM Kamsky and Topalov and I hope that a compromise can be worked out.
Best regards,
Paul Truong
Captain and Business Manager of the 2004 US Women’s Olympiad Silver Medalist team
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Dear Group,
I am happily reporting your interactions to some 60,000 chess fans per month – as the #1 US-based chess site.
It does appear to me that that – without avail to other intelligence – President Goichberg did commit the USCF Federation Board to a course of action when 2 members of said board were not even informed of the issue, nevermind being able to register their dissenting views or register their wishes during /in camera/ or simply said ‘secret’ conversation on the best move to forward Gata Kamsky’s chances on behalf of USA. If that is so, what providence is there in a board declaration to FIDE which the entire board was not even informed thereof?
While the power exists from the current USCF board to do as it has done without apparent blush, is it honest to proceed this way? – without concomitant mention that other board members were not even informed of the ‘board’ decree?
Is this another putsch scenario by the president of the board?
Is it indeed decent, legal, honest or truthful on his part? This is to say nothing of what is wise, and certainly, neglecting to even consult GM opinion on the board is … well, you all read what Max Dlugy and Arnold Denker already said.
Phil Innes
for www.chessville.com
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Mr. Innes,
I am not interest in petty or political bickering. I am only interested in making sure that GM Kamsky and GM Topalov will play this match. It is in their best interest and the interest of chess fans worldwide.
There are a lot more than what was addressed by USCF President Goichberg. What I fail to see is how it would help GM Kamsky for the USCF and the USCF President to publicly insult FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov or other FIDE officials, regardless of our personal opinions?
I am not picking a side. I am for a sensible, level headed, and equitable solution.
It is best for this matter to be discussed, negotiated, and settled in a professional and respectful manner behind closed doors.
Best regards,
Paul Truong
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Dear Mr. Paul Truong,
I have very little interest myself in these affairs, except from personal, candid and direct knowledge of the private and public views of GMs Kasparov, Karpov, Khalifman and Keene [to mention only the K’s] on how things might proceed from their direct knowledge of things.
My entire thrust in the previous message was to the effect that the USCF ‘board’ has seemed to proceed unclearly from any deliberations or even knowledge of said board, and seemed only to be an edict from President Goichberg of those attendind some secret meeting – secret even from other board members – the result of which is a declaration to Fide not clearly the result of Mr. Gocihberg’s personal opinion, some partial opinion of the board which others did not even take part in, or some official stance of United States Chess Federation?
I have not read anything here, so far, sufficient to be called an answer by those I questioned.
That is a matter of opinion if the gentleman should be insulted by USCF. I make a simpler and more minor point about who issues the insult? Is it the USCF board, or some sub-sect of it acting from some closed and partial discussion?
That, Sir, is not my opinion, though I do acknowledge your need to make such negotiations which will progress our affairs as it seems best to you and from your perspective on the world chess scene. For myself, and I think fairly representing most chess players, I merely offer you the demurrer interrogatory of what should be private and what public information?
What exactly should be secret from our discussion of the World Championship? If it is merely business then so be it – but is that all it has become?
But I see your intent is to make proper engagement with FIDE on the subject of GM Kamsky’s chances and engagements in the World Championship process, which is one I also wish to advance. To this effect, let us further conspire together, and see if the President of Fide’s recent declaration is suitable to the sport of chess – and is fair to the candidates engaged in it.
Cordially,
Phil Innes
for www.chessville.com
susan is right. they should discuss this among themselves. it’s stupid to insult the other party and expect them to give you money.
Leave it to Bill Goichberg and this mess will become a bigger disaster. Look at what he’s done to the USCF finances in the past few years.
To have Bill Goichberg attack Ilyumzhinov is stupid. Do you think Ilyumzhinov will care about what Goichberg has to say?
Don’t fool yourselves. This is clearly Kamsky’s inability to honour his offer. Or he must say publicly that his manager Chernenko deceived him as Chessdom reports here: http://www.chessdom.com/news/kamsky-topalov-back-at-the-beginning “His manager also deceived him by claiming that money was sent to FIDE but it kept bouncing back!?”…
There was a deal. Team Kamsky broke the deadlines a number of times. Then they lied about the money with Chernenko. Roustam is welcome to put up his own money or find money elsewhere. He couldn’t. So either Gata will play or Shirov will take his place. C’est la vie.
Goichberg is right. Susan is wrong. FIDE should give Kamsky anything he wants.
The Anand-Kramnik match just showed a positive image of the chess world.
If Kamsky and Topalov teams really want a fair play, both should have some sincere talks with FIDE.
The worst thing for Gata Kamsky is to have Roustam and Bill Goichberg speak for him. What a disaster!
This is total and utter mess!
I think that nobody cares anymore about this match, who’s to blame I don’t care, doesn’t even matter.But it’s a pitty.
“I think that nobody cares anymore about this match…”
Thats not true. You care, I care, all the people here care. Otherwise we wouldn’t read about it and comment it.
People don’t read and talk about things they don’t care. We ALL care.
What is the need for this out-of-band tournament?
Why not simply continue with the world-championship tournament format (or if you prefer, KO/match format)?
At this point, with Carlsen, Ivanchuk, Aronian, Radjabov and Anand in top form, what’s the need for Kamsky vs Topalov?
I think the sponsor is simply reacting t market conditions. Cannot blame them.
Yes please put this into both Kamsky’s and Topa’s head no one cares about this match except both of them and may be their managers. The other guy waiting is Vishy and this is your last chance to have a shot. Go play with whatever and whenever you get it or just forget about having a chance to play WC ever. I would love if Kamsky turns down the offer, Shirov plays instead and beats Topa and then there will be a nice match between two Spaniards.( Vishy stays in Spain) That will be a great match as both are good people, we will witness good chess and very interesting as Shirov is true fire on board and Anand can show his ice side there. And somehow if there is a tournament once again that will be even great, I want Ivanchuk to have a shot also, he deserves it.
“Thats not true. You care, I care, all the people here care. Otherwise we wouldn’t read about it and comment it.
People don’t read and talk about things they don’t care. We ALL care.”
No I don’t, really.
If I care then I would try to figure out what is going on and who’s to blame.
This is real circus that’s what it is.
You are reading this, so you care.
I doubt thaz anybody reads about thing he/she doesn’t care. You even care so much to comment things.
Face it – YOU CARE!
“You are reading this, so you care.
I doubt thaz anybody reads about thing he/she doesn’t care. You even care so much to comment things.
Face it – YOU CARE!”
No I don’t! 🙂
But I want to see reaction on my comment and does anyone think as I do 🙂 Leave this topic and invest time into other areas like I’m going to do now.
A crazy suggestion, Susan why dont you try to arrange this match may be in hungary ( as Top will have objections if you held it in US). may be with your organisational skill you can have this 8 game show going and we can anticipate another nice match later next year with Anand.
“”Face it – YOU CARE!”
No I don’t! :)”
Yes, you do. And you also care about our conversation (otherwise we wouldn’t have it).
you are all missing the big picture here… this may be the second day in a row with no picture of Barak Obama on the blog. Hoping against hope.
It would be best for Kamsky, Gata if Goichberg doesn’t speak. The same can be said for his father.
I am from Germany and I was in Bonn to watch the Kramnik – Anand match.
I was talking to some people there about the perfect organisation and the very friendly atmosphere there, and then the talk went to the upcoming Topalov – Kamsky match and nobody there believed it was going to happen at all.
The saying was, Kamsky and Topalov both are by far the most difficult (to put it mildly) persons in the +2700 club and it will for sure end in a war of words and open letters…
hey for all those who think people contribute here because they care, no we enjoy this war that is going on which is going to be bigger with these two players. Its sheeer entertainment. We have a world champ and we thnk now only Mr Carlsen is the worthy challenger, we dont mind giving others a chance to play a match. May be Anand can give a simultaneous match to this fighting warriors. (they can still fight with each other on stage)
Agree with Susan. Overall the manners of Kamsky’s team is shameful. Pity for Gata that he surrounded himself with jerks.
Bill Goichberg is a real sweetheart…
Goichberg is just trying to make a name for himself by saying something stupid. Kamsky’s manager lied about the money. Sign the contract and play or Shirov will. End of story.
Ivanchuk, Carlsen, maybe.
But don’t forget Aronian. In top form he can beat everyone. He has shown that several times.
okay
Chernenko’s offer was a fraud. He and the whole Kasmky team should be put in jail.
Goichberg is joining Chernenko company.
Goichberg should seize this opportunity to bring the match to the US.
It blows my mind that the USCF cannot raise 250,000 to bring World Class Chess to the US.
I agree with Kirsan not to pony up this time.
Goichberg owns CCA. CCA should sponsor this match since he has millions of dollars.
Sorry to break the news to you but the USCF has no comprehension of the word professionalism. Kamsky needs a new manager.
if you believe in good ol’ capitalism, capital flows where there is a return.
in this specific instance, the sponsors have lost interest because the market is not enthusiastic about this match.
nothing wrong with kamsky or topalov, this match simply isn’t meaningful for chess fans (as some sort of world championship).
so, try as people may to force people’s hands… it much more productive to make the match-up interesting (if possible), or scrap it if not.
i’m sorry if this sounds unfeeling, but that’s how investors work.
Good ol’ Capitalism just took us to the edge of a precipice. The soul of a country has to be more than Capitalism.
Part of it is what the other side of the Atlantic sees as a lack of Chess Culture in America but there is also a lack of organization.
I don’t believe this match was worth $935,000. But there is no reason USCF can not bring a World Class match now that the bid has been lowered to $250,000.
With genuine respects to Susan, I don’t understand why she resorted to an open letter stirring the pot further even while she claims that things should have been worked out at the table in a professional manner.
May be things have completely out of control at the USCF provoking even a cool headed Susan to come out open in protest.
A very naive and unrealistic proposal:
In this emergency situation, both players could agree to play without price money. By that, the amount of money required would be much smaller, only for the expenses (travel costs, hotel…).
I know it sounds strange, but if chess is the main thing and not money, then it should be possible. Because the winner gets a World Championship match and that should be valuable enough (?).
Because the letter was published by Goichberg and company before she even knew about it. They pretended that she approved and went along with it. That’s typical Goichberg and the USCF. There is $250,000 on the table and Kamsky wants more and his side can’t come up with a penny after multiple requests to delay the match.
Polo Mateo said…
“Good ol’ Capitalism just took us to the edge of a precipice. The soul of a country has to be more than Capitalism.”
At the very top, you have welfare for the rich. Truth be told, Capitalism exists only at the level of the small business — you sink or swim on your own, no one helps you.
The point I was making though is different. If we are asking a sponsor to put money, they are likely to evaluate the Return on Investment — unless they are FFF (Friends, Family and Fools).
Nothing in that concept has anything to do with your remarks about the brink — which by the way everyone agrees is a complete fiasco.