The Speculative Rxd7 is obvious… but how good is it?
1. Rxd7!? Rxd7 2. Bxf6 gxf6 3. Qxf6+ Kg8! 4. Ne5!( 4. Ng5 ?! Qd5! 5. Qxh6 Qf5 Resists) Rec7!? 5. Ng4! [White’s threat of Qh6 and Nf6 is irresistible.. passive play from white is futile) Rc1!? 6. Nh6+ Kh7 7. f3! Rxf1+ 8.Kxf1 Rc1+ 9. Kg2 Rc2 10. Ng4! Rxe2+ 11. Kh3 now 12.f6 or 12.Qh6+ and 13.Nf6+ Is crushing.
1. Rxd7!? Qxd7! Is stronger 2.Bxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kg8 4.Ne5!? (4. Ng5? hxg5 5. h6 Qd4!) 4… Qc7! 5.Ng4!? Qc3! This is the point, Diagonal Lateral defense from the other wing (Typical Motif)something has rapidly got to be done about white’s dark square control 6.Nh6+ Kh7 7.Qxf7+ Qg7! 8.Qxg7+ Kxg7 9.Ng4 (Frankly speaking this is far from clear .. Black has the two open files as compensation, furthermore Whites Qside pawns are vulnerable hence Black even has some winning chances.
Another alternative for white is to play 1.Bxf6 Nxf6 2. Qe5 with a slight edge, the idea is to play g4-g5, but that’s another story.
1) Where are the weaknesses (weaknesses are pawn, pieces or critical squares that are attacked as many time as defended) I see Bf6 and g7 (by x-ray; 2 times attacked 2 times defended (2-2). Other weaknesses would be (from this strict point of view) Qb7 (0-0) and f7 (0-0). In fact very often you don’t have to search so rigourously the weaknesses because it’s an UNCONSCIOUS process: the Bf6 weakness just “jump to your eyes”, “you just feel that there must be something going on there”…
2) I look for tacticals involving these weaknesses (decoy, removing the guard, pins and so on)…(This is often also an unconscious process involving pattern recognition…). Here remove Nd7 is an option.
4) Is the final position favorable for me? Here after the combination I sacrifeiced R+B for N+B+P so it’s all about the evaluation of the final position(s): After Ne5 there are many weaknesses around black’s king (pawns f7 and h6 square g7).
Black probably should give back the exchange but it’s not so clear.
5) I prefer white (initiative, attack on the king, tactical possibilities and so on) but in my opinion there are too much different imbalances to say which side is objectively better.
First of all Kh7?? is simply inferior it leaves f7 undefended and gives White the desired tempo to build an attack
Secondly after 1.Rxd7 Rxd7 2.Bxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kg8! (3…Kh7? Ne5) 4.Qxh6 Qd5 5.Ng5 you mentioned 5…f5?; 5…Qf5! is simple and Stronger it covers h7 and intends 6…Qg6.
Thirdly after 3…Ne5 4. you return the exchange, leaving Black with a cheerless position, fair enough… but unless you tell me the refutation to which you failed to do to 1….Qxd7 2. Bxf6 gxf6 3. Qxf6+ Kg8! 4. Ng4 which you give a question mark. without alternatives, your idea and lines remain void.
This I considered, but I believe starving of mate and having good active chances as the better choice than clinging on to a pawn and having a passive and miserable position.
N.B White’s Rf1 is not in the game and will not do so easily; furthermore you have failed to answer any of my questions.
So, I still think the best answer on 1.Rxd7 is 1…Rxd7 and after 2.Bxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ the best move for black is indeed 3…Kh7 and NOT 3…Kg8 which is met by 4.Qxh6 and white has an even bigger edge.
vohaul, it is interesting to see you have made corrections to your variations since your last post on THURSDAY, MARCH 22, 2007 9:26:00 AM, Something you should have acknowledged.
Rxd7 Rxd7
Bxf6 Gxf6
Qxf6+ Kh7
Ng5+ hxg5
h6 any move
Qg7++
Rxd7 Rxd7
Bxf6 Gxf6
Qxf6+ Kg8
Qxh6 f6
Qxg6+ Kf8
Qxf6+
wolverine
Rxd7 Rxd7
Bxf6 Gxf6
Qxf6+ Kh7
Ng5+ Kg8
Qxh6 f6
Qxe6+
im sure theres more variations than this but thats about all i wanna do on this problem.
wolverine
Greetings,
The Speculative Rxd7 is obvious… but how good is it?
1. Rxd7!? Rxd7 2. Bxf6 gxf6 3. Qxf6+ Kg8! 4. Ne5!( 4. Ng5 ?! Qd5! 5. Qxh6 Qf5 Resists) Rec7!? 5. Ng4! [White’s threat of Qh6 and Nf6 is irresistible.. passive play from white is futile) Rc1!? 6. Nh6+ Kh7 7. f3! Rxf1+ 8.Kxf1 Rc1+ 9. Kg2 Rc2 10. Ng4! Rxe2+ 11. Kh3 now 12.f6 or 12.Qh6+ and 13.Nf6+ Is crushing.
1. Rxd7!? Qxd7! Is stronger
2.Bxf6 gxf6
3.Qxf6+ Kg8
4.Ne5!? (4. Ng5? hxg5 5. h6 Qd4!)
4… Qc7!
5.Ng4!? Qc3! This is the point, Diagonal Lateral defense from the other wing (Typical Motif)something has rapidly got to be done about white’s dark square control
6.Nh6+ Kh7
7.Qxf7+ Qg7!
8.Qxg7+ Kxg7
9.Ng4 (Frankly speaking this is far from clear .. Black has the two open files as compensation, furthermore Whites Qside pawns are vulnerable hence Black even has some winning chances.
Another alternative for white is to play 1.Bxf6 Nxf6 2. Qe5 with a slight edge, the idea is to play g4-g5, but that’s another story.
Yours Sincerely
King
My thinking process:
1) Where are the weaknesses (weaknesses are pawn, pieces or critical squares that are attacked as many time as defended) I see Bf6 and g7 (by x-ray; 2 times attacked 2 times defended (2-2). Other weaknesses would be (from this strict point of view) Qb7 (0-0) and f7 (0-0). In fact very often you don’t have to search so rigourously the weaknesses because it’s an UNCONSCIOUS process: the Bf6 weakness just “jump to your eyes”, “you just feel that there must be something going on there”…
2) I look for tacticals involving these weaknesses (decoy, removing the guard, pins and so on)…(This is often also an unconscious process involving pattern recognition…). Here remove Nd7 is an option.
3) Calculation… (variation, sub-variation, counter-attacks? intermediate moves?)
4) Is the final position favorable for me? Here after the combination I sacrifeiced R+B for N+B+P so it’s all about the evaluation of the final position(s): After Ne5 there are many weaknesses around black’s king (pawns f7 and h6 square g7).
Black probably should give back the exchange but it’s not so clear.
5) I prefer white (initiative, attack on the king, tactical possibilities and so on) but in my opinion there are too much different imbalances to say which side is objectively better.
Have a nice day
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IMHO
1.Rxd7 Rxd7
(1…Qxd7? 2.Bxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kh7 (3…Kg8 4.Ne5 Qc7 5.Ng4? Qc3) 4.Ne5 Qe8 5.Nxf7 Kg8 6.Nxh6+ +-)
2.Bxf6 gxf6
3.Qxf6+ Kh7
(3…Kg8 4.Qxh6 Qd5 5.Ng5 f5 (5…f6 6.Qxf6 Qf5 7.Qxe6+ Qxe6 8.Nxe6) 6.Qg6+ Rg7 7.Qf6 Qd7 8.h6+-)
4.Ne5
(4.Ng5+?? hxg5 5.h6 Rg8–+)
4…Rg8
5.Nxd7 Qxd7±
greetings
Greetings,
vohaul your lines have discrepancies in them.
First of all Kh7?? is simply inferior it leaves f7 undefended and gives White the desired tempo to build an attack
Secondly after 1.Rxd7 Rxd7 2.Bxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ Kg8! (3…Kh7? Ne5) 4.Qxh6 Qd5 5.Ng5 you mentioned 5…f5?; 5…Qf5! is simple and Stronger it covers h7 and intends 6…Qg6.
Thirdly after 3…Ne5 4. you return the exchange, leaving Black with a cheerless position, fair enough… but unless you tell me the refutation to which you failed to do to 1….Qxd7 2. Bxf6 gxf6 3. Qxf6+ Kg8! 4. Ng4 which you give a question mark. without alternatives, your idea and lines remain void.
My Regards
King.
dear king, you might reconsider your variations again – you’ll find, that you are wrong!
greetings
BTW: 3… Kh7 defends the pawn h6 – a very important pawn – a detail, which deserves higher attention … LMAO
My fellow vohaul
This I considered, but I believe starving of mate and having good active chances as the better choice than clinging on to a pawn and having a passive and miserable position.
N.B White’s Rf1 is not in the game and will not do so easily; furthermore you have failed to answer any of my questions.
My Regards
King.
Hello King, you wanted variations, here are they:
After 1.Rxd7… 1… Qxd7?! Leads to an overwhelming advantage for white after
2.Bxf6 gxf6
3.Qxf6+ Kg8
(3…Kh7? 4.Ne5 Qe8 5.Nxf7 Kg8 6.Nxh6++-)
4.Qxh6 (4.Ng5?? hxg5 5.Qxg5+ Kh7–+)
4…f6
(4…f5?! 5.Ne5 Qe7 6.Qg6+ Kf8 7.h6 Rc7 8.Kg2!+-)
5.Qxf6 Qf7
6.Qh6 Rd6
7.Rc1 Rxc1+
8.Qxc1+-
So, I still think the best answer on 1.Rxd7 is 1…Rxd7 and after 2.Bxf6 gxf6 3.Qxf6+ the best move for black is indeed 3…Kh7 and NOT 3…Kg8 which is met by 4.Qxh6 and white has an even bigger edge.
greetings
vohaul, it is interesting to see you have made corrections to your variations since your last post on THURSDAY, MARCH 22, 2007 9:26:00 AM, Something you should have acknowledged.
My Regards
King.