After FIDE recently declined the rematch offer from Danailov citing that the bank guarantee did not come from a FIDE approved bank, Danailov now re-issues the challenge again with a new $2 million bank guarantee from a new bank.
How will FIDE respond to this new challenge? I did not like the provision of any 2700 player can issue a challenge to the WC if he has a sponsor who is willing to put up the money. This seems to be too chaotic to me when it was first announced. Now we see the problem.
The Mexico City World Championship is set. Now what? Damn if you do and damn if you don’t. FIDE is kind of stuck with their questionable policies.
You can read some other details on chessbase. Frederic Friedel is at Corus and he will probably be able to get more info soon. 
id like a rematch,since Topalov is number 1!
but i dont like the rule for other players….Radjabov,svidler…cant play a match just beacause they find money!
Dario
I guess the basic idea is, that only a worthy challenger will be able to put the required money.
Radjabov was an exception. He had the Azeri Oil Dollars when he was not as strong as today. But normally a player will find terribly difficult to collect 2 million dollars (I think this is the number ?!).
Still this seems like a journey back to the times of Aljechin and Capablanca. They had similar rules and no qualification system at all.
Forget the money, forget the points! Just play a goddamn game of chess & see who wins!
By the way, is anyone else pissed off by the ubiquity of nineteen & twenty move draws?
Forget about taking chess to another level if you can’t play the game as it was intended. What’s next? POKER CHESS?!
A game between two people who love chess is a beautiful thing & will continue to be long after the flitting shadows of SPORTDOM recede into the shadows…
THE JOY OF CHESS, MUCH LIKE LIFE ITSELF, IS THE JOY OF THE UNPREDICTABLE, THE UNACCOUNTED FOR, THE UNDECIDABLE, THE FAITH OF AN INDIVIDUAL AT ODDS WITH A PRESENT SITUATION RELYING ON HIS/HER KNOWLEDGE & INTUITION TO MEET THE END WHILE HOLDING, CLINGING, & GRASPING TO THE PRINCIPLES WHICH BROUGHT THEM TO THE (IDEA OF) THE GAME ORIGINALLY.
’nuff said.
Play, enjoy & rejoice upon your actions. Reflect upon your indecisions.
But above all else. live your life as you wish it to be– if not in letter, then in spirit!!!
i know why topi wants to play krammy.
read my lips. topi will beat the crap out of krammy.
topi really is the worthy opponent to a rematch with krammy.
the russkies will avoid topi at all cost, because they know they will lose.
gypsy joe.
He is a professional chess player – how many years will he have the opportunity to earn that kind of money? Both of them ought to do it.
The best earning years of thier lives.
Danailov seems to find it flatly impossible to bargain in good faith. He knows all about the rule prohibiting a match within 6 months of Mexico City, he’s mentioned it himself. But he seems to find some value in constantly pretending not to know.
Radjabov is next in line anyway. His challenge was accepted over a year ago.
>>Despised or not, Danailov is worth every penny is earning as a Manager. >>
Oh yeah. He helped take his client from being one of the most respected GM’s in the world to one of the most despised one. He was only saved from being banned from rated play for 3 years by virtue of being best buddies with the FIDE PrEsident. He tried to rattle his opponent, and ended up rattling his own client so badly that it affected his play and may have cost him the match. Danilov is worth a LOT of money… to Kramnik.
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Kramnik should ignore the challenge. It’s not appropriate to have a rematch so soon.
GM Susan Polgar…I think this current situation shows what’s wrong with the concept of FIDE.
Once a World Champion is announced in chess…that person should have the right to decide who to play against for the Title. It’s not perfect…because the Champion can use his Title as an excuse NOT to play certain players because they’re too dangerous to play against.
Once Alekhine won the title…he figured out ways to avoid replaying Capablanca for a rematch. It’s the nature of the beast. I believe FIDE’s only purpose is to elect an officially sanctioned *Challenger* for the World Championship. If the World Champion refuses to play the officially anointed adversary for the Title…then FIDE has the right to strip the WC of the Title and hand it to the Challenger. This happened in 74/75 over Fischer’s refusal to play Karpov.
However…I also believe FIDE is wrong to constantly issue tournaments every year to determine the “World Champion”. This is incorrect. FIDE should ONLY allow Candidate matches over a series of 2 or 3 years to determine the true challenger for the Title. This would prevent the WC from finding excuses to avoiding his/her duty from defending the Title.
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It’s not perfect…because the Champion can use his Title as an excuse NOT to play certain players because they’re too dangerous to play against.
Once Alekhine won the title…he figured out ways to avoid replaying Capablanca for a rematch.
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This is a pretty ridiculous argument. Who ever heard of a CHALLENGER getting an automatic rematch? For that matter, who ever heard of a rematch 4 months after the first match? Usually they come a year or two later. You’re asking for unprecedented advantages for a guy who disgraced the game without btting an eyelash. If Topalov wanted a second match before Mexico City, maybe there would have been time if he hadn’t ducked the first match so long.
Kramnik supporters: u have had enough fun bending the rules to have your Kramnik as the WC. Now its payback time to all your insidious manipulations.
Stop lying. All the bent rules were bent on Topalov’s behalf. You can’t name a single one bent on Kramniks’ behalf. Right now, Topalov is trying to break the 6 month rule and have an illegal rematch within 6 months of Mexico City.
“Duh, I know. We’ll break the rules, but we’ll pretend we’re not, and the other guy is, and maybe nobody will ask for details. Huh, huh.”
Gee, pretty feeble minded. Even Danailov could do better than that.
Sheesh, how many illegal challenges can one guy issue in pursuit of a title he claims not to care about? Topalov is the worst thing to happen to chess since Sam Sloan.
[quote]This is a pretty ridiculous argument. Who ever heard of a CHALLENGER getting an automatic rematch? For that matter, who ever heard of a rematch 4 months after the first match? Usually they come a year or two later. You’re asking for unprecedented advantages for a guy who disgraced the game without btting an eyelash. If Topalov wanted a second match before Mexico City, maybe there would have been time if he hadn’t ducked the first match so long.[/quote]
I believe you’ll have to re-read my comments on this matter. I qualified my belief that the Champion has a right to play whomever he/she wants…BUT that person MUST play the officially sanctioned *Challenger* within a reasonable 2/3 year span after candidate matches have determined the official opponent to challenge for the Title.
>>I qualified my belief that the Champion has a right to play whomever he/she wants…BUT that person MUST play the officially sanctioned *Challenger* within a reasonable 2/3 year span after candidate matches have determined the official opponent to challenge for the Title. >>
Well, the last official challenger was Radjabov. No word on what’s happened to his challenge, but Topalov certainly has no official challenger status. The rules were clear before the match. The winner goes to Mexico City, and no title matches within 6 months of that tournament. If Topalov didn’t like those rules, he should have objected before Elista. Sure, if Topalov wants to issue a challenge after Mexico City, and after Radjabov has his shot, then he should get one. But with the 2 year cycle, it would be easier to just play in the next tournament after Mexico.
The Danailov-Topalov-Duo seems to have a very selective memory. They remember only the things and rules they like, and forget about the others (6 month rules, former challenge by Radjabov).
>> You can’t name a single one bent on Kramniks’ behalf.
Oh, I can name quite a few:
1. Kramnik was allowed to cheat without any hindrance, even with the support of organisers.
2. All Kramnik whims were obliged to, even to the point of resignation of the Appeals committee
3. In spite of all eveidence for cheating, committee members did everything to hush the scandal and obliging media like ChessBase published lies about Topalov and false “documents” like the letter of support for Kramnik
4. The airplane of Topalov was not allowed to land before the match
5. Only Topalov was searched for hidden devices and this was done with a mine detector emitting radiation
6. A glass screen was put hiding the players from the audience by request of Kramnik, although it is not written in the rules
7. The toilets were left without surveillance
8. The appeals committee didn’t respond seriously to the complaint of Topalov and didn’t investigate the alleged Kramnik cheating
9. FIDE made everything possible to delay the challenge for rematch
10. FIDE allows the Challenge tournament to be held without the highest rated player participation on the basis of a contract between players
Oh, and dont forget
11) The mega-ultra fast coumputer, running Fritz 11, put onstage next to the players feeding Kramnik with moves.
Jeeezzz, what some people belive…
Topalov could go and win the world cup at the end of this year and be the official challenger next year.
But in my opinion, the corus results so far show that he is still the only real challenger for the title. who else can beat kramnik in a match?
It is a strange situation. I agree Topalov should have saved his 2 million to play the winner of Mexico, whoever that is.
A rematch so soon after the match does seem bizarre, but if it takes place, I hope there will be more chess than politics. With a bit of luck, the players’ contract will be formulated in such a way as to avoid vague and unfounded public accusations.
People, stop bickering and just enjoy the divine game of chess played by the strongest chess player of the world – Veselin Topalov.
Ignore the loser Crapnik, who couldn’t even beat a kid today.
>> The mega-ultra fast coumputer, running Fritz 11, put onstage next to the players feeding Kramnik with moves.
Only 2 small mistakes: Not Fritz 11 but Fritz 10 and not onstage but in Kramnik’s toilet.
The rematch is not reissued AGAIN. It is the same offer delayed because of FIDE’s bad policies.
I’m not much into chess regulations but those are the most bizzare rules I have ever seen! You have a World Championship in Mexico this year and No 1 player ( Topalov ) is not allowed to play in it ?!? This is like Brazil not allowed to play in football WorldCup ! This is so ridiculous! I think they should remove chalenges and try to gather all those money at WC every year where you have all best players decide who is best.
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With Kramnik’s stones on Kramnik’s head.
>> He knows all about the rule prohibiting a match within 6 months of Mexico City, he’s mentioned it himself. But he seems to find some value in constantly pretending not to know.
Danailov pretends not to know the rule by mentioning it himself?
I didn’t realise that, Anonymous 5:55:11 AM. Very good point!
Isn’t it amazing that Kramnik was TWICE allowed to challenge for the title without having to qualify at all?
And yet he wouldn’t even give Kasparov a reasonable means to qualify to become his challenger, let alone give him a direct rematch.
Five times before 1999 Kramnik failed to qualify to become challenger or be a finalist. One wonders if he ever would have become challenger if he hadn’t been given a free ride.
I would love a re-match, but I don’t expect one soon. If Danialov had not made those reckless accusations of cheating then a quick re-match would have been a no-brainer. Perhaps if everyone involved started acting like grown-ups, a re-match could yet happen.
>Oh, I can name quite a few:
Without lying, I meant. You can’t name any without doing that.
>>1. Kramnik was allowed to cheat without any hindrance, even with the support of organisers.>>
Obviously not. If that had happened, Topalov would not have continued playing. He said so in the Game 6 press conference, when he admitted that he believed Kramnik’s play was fair. He later claimed that that statement was a lie on his own part, motivated by a desire for prize money. When your own idol admits he lies for money, isn’t it kind of dumb to trust anything he says?
>>2. All Kramnik whims were obliged to, even to the point of resignation of the Appeals committee>>
My statement was “you can’t name any”, not that you can’t make vague claims. You did that in the last post.
>>3. In spite of all eveidence for cheating, committee members did everything to hush the scandal and obliging media like ChessBase published lies about Topalov and false “documents” like the letter of support for Kramnik>>
Again, as I say, you can’t NAME any. Repeating the claim over and over and putting numbers before each paragraph doesn’t make something out of nothing.
There is concrete proof that Topalov cheated. Not in secret. Right out in broad daylight, he broke the ethics rules prohibiting public charges against players and sponsors.
Doesn’t look like you can name any lies about Chessbase any more than you can against Kramnik, unless you’re claiming they fabricated a letter from dozens of GM’s, none of whom objected.
Like Topalov himself, the issue has unseated your mind. You know, there’s a reason that not a single GM in the world, not even Bulgarian GM’s, have supported his behavior.
>>4. The airplane of Topalov was not allowed to land before the match>>
Because the airport was closed to everyone. Stop lying.
>>5. Only Topalov was searched for hidden devices and this was done with a mine detector emitting radiation>>
And Danailov and Topalov both permitted it. Yeah, right. Don’t tell me! They allowed it because of their desire for prize money, right?
6. A glass screen was put hiding the players from the audience by request of Kramnik, although it is not written in the rules
>>7. The toilets were left without surveillance>>
As per the contract. In your twisted imagination, the cases where they DID adhere to the rules were somehow granting favors to Kramnik.
>>8. The appeals committee didn’t respond seriously to the complaint of Topalov and didn’t investigate the alleged Kramnik cheating>>
They broke the rules in Topalov’s favor and then resigned in disgrace. What did you want them to do?
>>9. FIDE made everything possible to delay the challenge for rematch>>
By enforcing rules that Topalov agreed to before the match. Sheesh, as I say, you can’t name any.
>>10. FIDE allows the Challenge tournament to be held without the highest rated player participation on the basis of a contract between players >>
As per rules agreed to before the match. You know, the way you tell it, Topalov must be kind of an idiot to agree to all these things that are so outrageous. Is he THAT greedy? If he is, why did he dodge the original match? Kramnik’s sponsor was putting up a lot more money than this match was played for.
Anyway, my original statement stands. You can’t name a single rule bent on Kramnik’s behalf. All you can do is whine that rules that WEREN’T bent should have been. Thanks for proving that it wasn’t just a sin of omission on your part.
All the above post is a shameful babble of a person either ignorant of facts or deliberately ignoring them.
“All the above post is a shameful babble of a person either ignorant of facts or deliberately ignoring them.”
You’re right. That guy couldn’t name a single rule bent on Kramnik’s behalf and yet he swore to it anyway. Creepy.
Susan,
The chaos was set from the getgo. I already wrote this down here at least once. Forget the Topalov challenge. The yearly round robin invitational tournament by FIDE declares a world champion for several years. That was the FIDE world champion, then we had the “other guys”. That was the whole unification effort all about. Finally it happened, Kramnik won, so he is the unified world champion. Okay. Now…….comes Mexico. Kramnik will be there, Topalov won’t be there according to their contract.
What if Kramnik won’t win in Mexico?
Will he admit that “I am no longer the world champion”? Or as for many years he insisted, he will claim that the world champion status can change only, if somebody defeats the world champion in a one-on-one multi-game format. After all, that’s what the unification was all about.
What further aggravates this setup: FIDE plans to do just that: the winner of the round robin tournament (every other year) can play against the world champion (every other year). But nothing like this is planned for THIS year’s round robin.
The only way I can see out of this, if Kramnik wins Mexico, otherwise the chess world will be back at square one of the problem.
If I am wrong, why am I wrong?
Gabor
Not one but 10 rules bent by Kramnik. If you insist, another 10 will be listed, and then another 10. Kramnik is a guy who craps all over. Look at his behavior in Wijk and you can’t help feeling sorry for his miserable supporters.
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When your own idol admits he lies for money, isn’t it kind of dumb to trust anything he says?
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If that’s not the bottom line, I don’t know what is. It doesn’t make any sense to think Topalov would have lied about that. He might have kept playing even if he still had doubts, but there’s simply no reason for him to have tied his own credibility to Kramnik’s innocence that way unless he believed it when he said it.
It seems like Tpoalov suffered a minor mental breakdown after the match. His claims got more grandiose than anything he said during the match, and even started stepping on each other. For example, after making such a deal about the toilets during the match, he nullified the whole thing afterwards by coming up with this bit about how Kramnik had an under-the-skin implant to receive moves at the board.
Probably when he admitted he’d overreacted and said that his continued participation proved that he believed Kramnik innocent, he meant that when he said it. There’s simply no reason to say it otherwise. In the mental state he was in after the match, he probably couldn’t imagine why he’d have said such a thing and came up with this bit about being motivated by fear and prize money.
In the end, Danailov may have cost his own man the match. The toilet business, as an attempt to put Kramnik on the defensive, and gain an unfair advantage, ended up spooking Topalov to the point where it affected his play, and possibly his sanity. Without that, a healthier Topalov may have been able to mount one of his famous comebacks, even without the free point.
>> It seems like Tpoalov suffered a minor mental breakdown after the match.
Another amateur shrink on this site. Where did you read about that implant? Or did you dream about it?
>>Another amateur shrink on this site. Where did you read about that implant? Or did you dream about it?
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Topalov dreamed it. He made that claim in the ABC interview.
Apparently you’re following Topalov’s chess and ignoring his words. As with Bobby Fischer, that’s probably the best approach, if you want to be able to appreciate them.
>> Apparently you’re following Topalov’s chess and ignoring his words.
I have all Topalov’s interviews in several languages (English, Bulgarian, Russian, and Spanish) and he never speaks about implants. Maybe just another lie about him told in an obscure site (or in ChessBase)
This rule about challenges doesn’t make much sense to me either. What happens if the champion declines the challenge – does he retain his title? Does he forfiet his title?
What a shame. If all these childish cheating accusations had not poisened the water, we could be having a re-match soon. What is the point of all these accusations and counter-accusations? How is all this nonsense going to help chess and get a re-match? All the hot heads need to shut up, you are not helping at all.
Moreover,after the Corus Topalov will extend his lead on FIDE rating list (will be again ~2800).
How will it seem if they broke their word and reject the challenge from 2800 player (not just 2700!) when money and all else is secured ?
I’m 99.9% positive,merely due to just these 2 reasons,there will be the rematch .And very soon so .Like it or not!Hehehe… My friends prepare for Kramnik-Topalov comedy part II.
What a shame. If all these childish cheating accusations had not poisened the water, we could be having a re-match soon. What is the point of all these accusations and counter-accusations? How is all this nonsense going to help chess and get a re-match? All the hot heads need to shut up, you are not helping at all.
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Basically a good point, the only quibble is that the rematch and the damage the hotheads are doing to Topalov’s reputation are two completely separate things. Even if Topalov and all his enclave had behaved impeccably, during and after Elista, Rule 2.3 of the World Championship regulations, would still have kiboshed any rematch happening before Mexico City.
Topalov made this mistake before the match even started. He should have covered his bases by insisting that the loser be guaranteed a spot in Mexico. He was too overconfident and thought he wouldn’t need it.
“Not one but 10 rules bent by Kramnik. If you insist, another 10 will be listed, and then another 10.”
Don’t be absurd. You didn’t cite a single one. By claiming to be able to cite any number that I ask for, you’re admitting that you’re full of it, without realizing what you’re saying.
But one good argument is better than a hundred bad ones, so let’s start working on quality here. Here’s a challenge for you to ignore.
The championship rules and regulations are all online, at fide.com, and other places. Take your first list of “violations”, go through it, and cite the number of the rule that was violated on Kramnik’s behalf.
That’s what I meant when I said you couldn’t cite a single one. I didn’t mean you couldn’t just claim it over and over again with nubmers in front of it, like:
1. Topalov cheated.
2. Topalov cheated.
3. Topalov cheated.
I meant exactly what I said; that you couldn’t name a single rule violated on Kramnik’s behalf.
Go ahead and actually name one. Most of them are so vague they say nothing, but here are some that I’m particularly interested in your #4, which can’t possibly be in the rules, and #7, #9, and #10, which are actually the opposite of what you claim. Your whole complaint in those three is that the rules WEREN’T bent, but were enforced as written.
As I say, you can’t name a single one. And won’t even try.
Thats it! I’ve had enough of this Danailov character!
I’m rated under 2000, so I want 100 to 1 odds that I can beat Topalov. I put up $2,000,000 and Danailov puts up $200,000,000 and I challange Topalov to a world match.