Gunsberg, Isidor – Chigorin, Mikhail (Havana 1890), presented by Andreas
Black to move. How should Black proceed?
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Rxf3
After 1..Rxf3, Black has a very strong attack/position.
Black has in his arsenal moves like Rf7 followed by Rf2, and penetrating to d2 with the queen. Adding to that is the discovered check threat on the h-file.
All in all, Black has a very strong attack
egaion,
it does not seem a good plan.
1. … Rxf3
2. Qxf3 Rf7
3. Qxf7+ Kxf7
4. Rhf1+ Kg8
5. Rxc5 and white is not losing
Instead
2 … Qd2+ should give better chances to black
2 … Rf7 does however mean that 2 Kxf3 doesn’t work
Black has in his arsenal moves like Rf7 followed by Rf2, and penetrating to d2 with the queen.
…
Instead 2 … Qd2+ should give better chances to black
I have to stick up for egaion here. Sometimes I wonder how carefully people read what’s been posted upthread.
“2 … Rf7 does however mean that 2 Kxf3 doesn’t work”
1. -, Rxf3 2. Kxf3, Rf7+?? 3. Kg2 and white looks (more than) okay.
But 2. -, Qf4+ mates 3. Kg2, Qg3+ 4. Kf1+ and now Rf7+ -+.
That’s the reason why Kxf3 isn’t possible.
“1. … Rxf3
2. Qxf3 Rf7
3. Qxf7+”
Why? 3. Qe2 and black has nothing, has he?
I predict Rf7+?? to be a big mistake here, too, the suggested Qd2+ looks stronger.
But I do not feel it’s over after Qd2+ 3. Kg1.
Taking away the bishop giving the black knight the square d4 (or probably simply taking away the pawns a3, b3) looks like a real good plan.
With the big knight on d4 versus the real bad bishop on b1 black seems to have a real good compensation for the exchange but white can fight and Rf1 gives counter chances against the black king.
One line may be:
1. -, Rxf3 2. Qxf3, Qd2+ 3. Kg1, Qxb2 4. Rf1 (Rxc5?, Qd4-+), Qd4+ 5. Kg2, Qd8 followed by Nd4 but I’d just think this dynamic position is about equal.
Is there anything better than Qxb2?
If not, can we strengthen the attack on any other move?
I am not totally convinced of Rxf3 but everything else seems to give white time to consolidate his position.
Hmmm, interesting one!
Best regards
Jochen
The game:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036320
Jochen:
Is there anything better than Qxb2?
Looks like:
1. … Rxf3
2.Qxf3 Qd2+
3. Kg1 Bf2+!! wins for black. If 4. Qxf2 Rxh1+ loses the queen and/or several mating chances. If 4. Kg2 Be3+ 5. Kg3 Bf4+ loses the queen again at the very least. If 4. Kf1 5. Nd4 looks quite promising (the queen can’t move without opening up several mating threats via Rxh1+, and Bxd4 loses the c1 rook with equally bad effect).
Jochen, I think now you’ve got it.
Great ideatactic: 3..Bf2+
Best wishes
A. Weiler
Is Rxf3 Rxh4 too dangerous for white?
>Is Rxf3 Rxh4 too dangerous for white?
Computer analysis indicates that this is
won for black, although it seems to require some non-obvious (for me) moves.
Another variation that has not been discussed is
1. -, Rxf3 2. Qxf3, Qd2+ 3. Kf1
If Kf1… Rf8 and loses the queen
I think
”1. -, Rxf3 2. Qxf3, Qd2+ 3. Kf1”
”If Kf1… Rf8 and loses the queen”
3.Kf1 Qxb2 wins easily.